garrethdsouza wrote:Trying to understand feminism by listening EXCLUSIVELY to anti feminists is like trying to understand veganism by reading only from authoritynutritiion.com or letthemeatmeat.com
Did you watch the video at all? It is not at all like that. You've put yourself in an echo chamber, and you need to look at arguments outside your bubble.
I notice you always respond quickly, with hostility, and without any reasoned argument or evidence to anything about intersectionality.
Well, it's time for you to put up, or shut up for good about it.
There are strong arguments made in the video, and that I have made (which are different from hers; I don't totally agree with her), and you have never responded properly to one of them.
Instead, you continue to attack the characters of the presenters, and throw around rhetoric and cartoons, all without engaging in discussion.
You should know this is inappropriate, and you should be ashamed.
https://theveganatheist.com/forum/viewt ... ?f=11&t=52
forum rules wrote:1. This is a discussion forum. Please come here willing to discuss. This isn't a place to lecture, and then refuse to address others' rational arguments or even answer others' questions. Discussion is founded upon logic, if you don't accept basic logic as valid, there's really nothing for you to do here except lecture, and this isn't the place for it. Again: This is a discussion forum.
You have done this
multiple times. Broaching the subject and baiting argument, only to lecture, spew a bunch of rhetoric and post cartoons, then retreat from it instead of answering to your claims.
This is a warning. If you refuse to engage in real discussion in
this thread and answer the questions made to you and the arguments presented with actual arguments of your own, you will be forbidden from further discussion of intersectionality on this forum, and from responding to any threads or discussions on the topic on this forum.
I don't want to ban you, because you make useful posts and sensible arguments on
other topics. But you're breaking the first forum rule repeatedly, and that's not OK. You don't get special treatment here just because you're vegan and atheist. Vegans and carnists alike, theists and atheists alike, have to respond to argument and questions; this is the only forum I know of on the internet that requires people to actually make arguments.
No more quips, no more rhetoric, no more insults, no more cartoons. Nothing. You will be restricted to unrelated topics and advice.
Do you understand?
If you choose to do the intellectually honest thing and engage in discussion, you have to do it now or never.
You don't have to win, you don't have to be right, and you don't even have to be nice, but you have to finally engage and answer the arguments posed rather than running off to your safe space as soon as somebody says something you don't have an easy answer for. Not by linking somewhere else where the arguments aren't answered either, but in your own words and thoughts, here.
From my perspective, you will define anybody who questions your cult of intersectionalism as anti-feminist to shut them down, saying it's not a credible source, which really just confirms her point in the video and makes it appear that you're trying to hold up an ideology as inherently immune to criticism.
YOU have done nothing but demonstrate the harms of intersectionality by YOUR rude and divisive behavior and YOUR representations of it. I have read what YOU have posted, what YOU have linked to, and taken YOUR refusal to respond to reasoned arguments as evidence that YOU and anybody YOU would consider a "True Feminist" have no real argument to make.
Maybe I'm totally misunderstanding the whole concept still, but if you never engage in discussion, there's no way to correct that now is there?
I've read the people you wanted me to read even though you refused to answer questions. That's done.
I see an irrational dogma that is harmful, and a person who otherwise aspires to be rational and moral being sucked into it. You can go back to your safe space if I've triggered you, but know that means you are forbidden from mentioning it or responding to it ever again here. Or you can stand up for what you think you believe in and subject your beliefs to some actual scrutiny outside your echo chamber and earn back the respect I (and probably other forum members who have seen you do these cowardly drive-bys before) used to have for you.
I would be glad to discuss this, and I'd be glad to have my mind changed on the topic, but you have to do your part too and not just bombard the forum with cartoons and character assassination, and links to shitty arguments filled with emotional appeals and anecdotes rather than rational arguments and evidence.
Put up now and make an actual argument, or shut up about it for good.
The ball is in your court, Garreth.