Religion, Moral, Ethics and Veganism

[Jebus]

Your sarcasm detector is faulty. That was somebody making fun of it.

Detector in tact. To me it was just a bit of a coincidence reading the same word combination within a short time period.

[brimstoneSalad]

Your sarcasm detector is faulty. That was somebody making fun of it.

Detector in tact. To me it was just a bit of a coincidence reading the same word combination within a short time period.

I've definitely seen the claim often, but usually coming from diehard carnists trying to malign animal advocacy. It's definitely a common stereotype, but one that I've never seen to be true.

Now there are some people who just hate humans, but I think that's rather something different. Like the OOS crowd. That's real, and perhaps more disturbing.

[vegan81vzla]

Well, Gary Yourofsky, for one, a hard core vegan advocate claims himself to be a misanthrope. Many vegans in YouTube have said how much they hated humans. That carnists deserve to die. That they would save animals instead of humans. I haven't seen many vegans sending an opposite message to that. On the contrary, those that tend to be more "hippie" (for the lack of a better word) end up saying things like, although they don't agree with those extremists views, people have to understand vegan hatred to this carnist humanity. Perhaps I am listening the wrong channel.

[brimstoneSalad]

Yep, you're definitely listening to the wrong channels.

[vegan81vzla]

or just the only one there is... because I keep trying to find new ones, and they just aren't there... That's why I do not use the word ethic in regards to veganism.

[brimstoneSalad]

or just the only one there is... because I keep trying to find new ones, and they just aren't there... That's why I do not use the word ethic in regards to veganism.

Where are you looking?

Are you using "channels" literally or figuratively?

Have you read the thread on Francione and Deontology?

[vegan81vzla]

well, that is why I joined this group, to see if there was another view on veganism rather than the one spread by the vegan community/propaganda... I am on Reading the thread... though it is quite long...

[brimstoneSalad]

Well, here's at least one youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/FitOnRaw

There are several others, but I'm not very hip to the youtube thing yet. Working on it.

In terms of mainstream philosophers, you may have heard of Peter Singer: he recognizes that on average humans are more important than non-human animals. He's a consequentialist, rather than a deontologist.

Unfortunately, the very loud voice of deontology tends to dominate a lot of the vegan advocacy, and the fact that those irrational views are often simpler catchy phrases.