MR_E

[Mr_E]

Hello my name is irrelevant. I go by MR_E for the sake of anonymity. I was born a Jehovas witness and was forced to participate in a religion i had no wish to be a part of. At the age of 16 i distanced myself (harder than it sounds seeing as my parents forced me to have relations within religion only). Even as a child i had a ton of unanswered questions that i never got a proper answer to. I then starting wondering why should i choose this religion over any other, my parents could not answer properly. Although i dislike the forced religious childhood i had. Compared to other religions i still find that Jehovas witnesses is the least harmful religion out there. I don't know a lot about other religions (except Christianity and Islam) so feel free to educate me.

I am an Atheist because i will never accept personal accounts/testimony as evidence. I believe that religion was hand crafted by men with the intent to gain power and income through "avoid hell payments". My opinions are by many considered highly unpopular (not just towards religion).

I believe that any opinion must be backed by either evidence or logic. Therefore i am against the feminist movement but i am pro equality. I find that woman and men are equal but unequal in certain perspectives.

I believe that anything should be subject to question and ridicule. A religion such as Islam or a government for that matter. Should be subject to ridicule. The alternative is a dictatorship and i wont ever understand the world wide support for Islam as a "peaceful" religion. Neither Christianity nor Islam can by my understanding of history and interpretation of their guide books be considered peaceful.

Further more i am often called a Racist. I disagree. I have strong dislike towards cultures. I do not see how disliking behavior on a nation wide scale makes me a racist. i do not hate immigrants, i simply hate those that retain their religion and culture involving stoning people they don't agree with. A muslim born Atheist can be my friend.

And lastly i believe that any intelligent being would eventually arrive at the conclusion that killing any being for pleasure (good taste is pleasure) is wrong. No one can come up with a good defense for eating animals, it eventually amounts to either "i like my meat" or "humans are worth more than animals". Incredibly arrogant and ignorant when they do not allow me to eat retarded people. I have listed my diet as "Meat eater". This is because i am a hypocrite. I did actually try out vegan-ism for a period of 6 months. My muscle mass started to thin and so egoistic as i am, i started eating meat again. My only defense which is not a defense rather an explanation as to why would be "i like my meat". But when i use that same argument as to why i would like to eat humans (not that i would). I find that somehow that does not apply the other way around.

Please read this in the the calm tone of the Vegan Atheist, that way i sound smarter. English is my second language so feel free to point out grammar errors.

Oh and by any means question all about me right here. I love defending my own belief and opinions. I do not like it when someone disproves my views, but i accept it.

[TheVeganAtheist]

Hi MR_E,
welcome to the forum. Thanks for sharing your story with us.
What about cultures do you dislike? Could you be specific on a culture you dislike?

I work out 3 times a week, and have been gaining mass. Perhaps you weren't consuming enough calories in a day (just because you are full doesn't mean you are eating enough). If you feel you need extra protein, you could additionally add in vegan protein powders. Its great that you realize the hypocrisy in your own life, but that should not be a label you wear and accept.

[Mr_E]

What about cultures do i dislike. Well it is more of, what about certain cultures do i dislike. I do not dislike the certain food associated with Muslim countries. Which you would attribute to culture. I do however dislike the extremist behavior and dictating viewpoints. I highly dislike the Chinese culture's lack of respect and treatment of animals.

As to labeling myself a hypocrite. I do realize that it makes for a rock solid defense as no one can really point out the error in my thinking as i am obviously already aware that i am a piece of shit. The reason that i lost muscle mass is not that i did not eat enough. My body is used to a diet containing 70% if not 100% meat in huge sized portions. Therefore once i went vegan i was eating 1 kilo a meal to get close to what i normally would gain from my diet. I don't think i would be able to eat any more than i did at the time. But keep in mind, i am a monster of nature, I was able to run through my entire glass in american football without them being able to stop me. I don't know i simply wont give up this feature of strength which has become a part of the way i identify myself.

[miniboes]

I do not dislike the certain food associated with Muslim countries. Which you would attribute to culture. I do however dislike the extremist behavior and dictating viewpoints.

Are you really talking about 'muslim' culture, or about middle easter/arabian culture? I think it's useful to seperate the 20% of muslims in the middle east from the muslims in e.g. Indonesia and India.

My body is used to a diet containing 70% if not 100% meat in huge sized portions.

That's insane (the diet, not you), and I can't imagine it's doing you any good in the long run. What kind of food have you tried to substitute it with?

[Mr_E]

"Are you really talking about 'muslim' culture, or about middle easter/arabian".

I guess that would be eastern/arabian culture which i think is a violent culture, and one with little tolerance towards others viewpoints. I would not claim that any Muslim is violent and has the intent on killing others that do not agree with them. But from what the Quran says, that would simply make them bad Muslims.

"That's insane (the diet, not you), and I can't imagine it's doing you any good in the long run. What kind of food have you tried to substitute it with?"

I ate avocados, massive amounts of nuts. I ate carrots in massive numbers simply because i find that easy to eat. I ate salads, and i eventually tried to include a lot of fish as a compromise but i was still getting weaker. I think that i am going to try again in near future eating recommended foods instead of just eating random non-meat foods. And no the meat diet, i don't think it is healthy compared to being vegan. But when i said 100% i meant 100%. No candy, no ice cream, no cake. Just meat, just food. I guess that makes it healthier than some other diets containing less meat? hell what do i know. I never bothered to care for my health. And at the same time i have not been sick for 10 years. Neither have i had a need for medicine in 7 years.

[miniboes]

"Are you really talking about 'muslim' culture, or about middle easter/arabian".

I guess that would be eastern/arabian culture which i think is a violent culture, and one with little tolerance towards others viewpoints. I would not claim that any Muslim is violent and has the intent on killing others that do not agree with them. But from what the Quran says, that would simply make them bad Muslims.

Allright.

I ate avocados, massive amounts of nuts. I ate carrots in massive numbers simply because i find that easy to eat. I ate salads, and i eventually tried to include a lot of fish as a compromise but i was still getting weaker. I think that i am going to try again in near future eating recommended foods instead of just eating random non-meat foods. And no the meat diet, i don't think it is healthy compared to being vegan. But when i said 100% i meant 100%. No candy, no ice cream, no cake. Just meat, just food. I guess that makes it healthier than some other diets containing less meat? hell what do i know. I never bothered to care for my health.

Depends on the meat, really. Red and processed meat is terrible, chicken is slightly better, fish is significantly better but not nearly as healthy as beans and vegetables. I think a 100% meat diet is probably worse than the SAD (standard american diet), because it contains 0% vegetables, fruits and beans rather than 10% (or whatever low percentage it is). I think adding fries might just be an improvement to a 100% meat diet.

You need beans. Beans are the best (and cheapest) source of protein. Nuts are great, preferably almonds, hazelnuts and walnuts. Vegetables, particularly the green leafy ones (broccoli, spinach, kale, collard greens, mustard greens, lettuces, etc.) are extremely important. You should eat some fruit, preferably the low sugar high fiber fruits like tomatoes and blackberries. Whole grains can be the bulk of your calories, some are high in protein too (quinoa, wild rice, spelt).

If you want to try going vegan again, make a new topic and we can help you through it. It might be worth slowly decreasing the amounts of meat you eat rather than stopping in one day, perhaps replacing it with mockmeats first and then getting the whole plant foods.

Edit: I edited this post quite a few times.

[Cirion Spellbinder]

Greeting MR_E! Welcome to the forum. I am suprised that you find the Jehovas's Witness Christianity to be the least harmful religion. From what I am aware of, it can be very oppressive and not as flexible and tolerant as other Christian denominations. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Also, excellent post miniboes!

[Mr_E]

Well i mean. It has no death sins. It has no history of war, and no scripture that could lead to the justification of one. This whole idea that they shun people that distance themselves is not something that i would claim to not be true. But here in Denmark i have simply not heard of it. They do shun people that has been baptized as part of some repentance treatment which i find extremely oppressive. But what i meant was that by their belief and their version of the bible, they seem to be more peace-full. But then again i don't know a lot about Buddhism or Hinduism. But i guess they might be the more peaceful ones since we rarely hear about them.

[garrethdsouza]

Hi welcome to the forum.

Maybe you could post about what your current diet is. That amount of meat is extremely unhealthy because of the saturated fat and animal protein.

There are many vegans in fitness maybe you could ask them for pointers. I've heard this specific group is good for that. https://m.facebook.com/groups/643342425761335?view=info

One question being what did you eat when you tried going vegan? What was your diet? If you had a ton of vegetables but few beans/lentils you'd not have a good protein source and that might explain some things. Generally after going vegan many people reach healthier weight range, but if you want a certain weight for other fitness related purposes you could look for pointers in that fitness group. They are evidence based so no woo there.

[Mr_E]

I have eaten nothing but ribs for a week now. Kinda sums up the kind of diet i am running.