In the closet Atheist and prayers at school

[Red]

I don't feel like replying via phone so fuck the quotes

1. I guess that's true, but it could also be an indication that you just don't feel like saying the prayer. Some of my friends in Religion class don't say the prayer, so the inherent irony is completely lost (if that's what that means.) Not to mention, I said, & I don't believe it, so something's up. Most of them don't know that I'm an atheist, so it is a bit conflicted.

2. Well I guess it's more dependent on the person who sees you. This also brings up another point; maybe you are saying the prayer because someone is getting angry at you. And who's to say they're not just telling you just make themselves look as if they care about religion?

3. But then you will just be seen as arrogant.

4. Refer to answer above.

5. That's because we perceive them as such.

6. Since I can't really go into an in depth description of what I mean, I highly recommend you watch Libertarian Socialist Rants' video titled "Education For Obedience". He brings up some good points for us to think about. Sure, you might hate him, but some points you have to really take into consideration.

[Cirion Spellbinder]

I don't feel like replying via phone so fuck the quotes

SCREW THE SYSTEM

1. I guess that's true, but it could also be an indication that you just don't feel like saying the prayer. Some of my friends in Religion class don't say the prayer, so the inherent irony is completely lost (if that's what that means.) Not to mention, I said, & I don't believe it, so something's up. Most of them don't know that I'm an atheist, so it is a bit conflicted.

I was speaking of my personal reasons. Maybe I didn't make that clear! Sorry!

2. Well I guess it's more dependent on the person who sees you. This also brings up another point; maybe you are saying the prayer because someone is getting angry at you

Yeah it is. Some teachers were really considerate, while others were pricks. I only said the prayers because I faced a threat if I did not.

And who's to say they're not just telling you just make themselves look as if they care about religion?

No one. We don't know. What does this prove or mean?

3. But then you will just be seen as arrogant.

True, but is it wrong to be arrogant (confident?) if you are correct and willing to reconsider your views if presented with a valid and well structured argument? Why?

4. Refer to answer above.

Make me.

5. That's because we perceive them as such.

Is our perception not correct in this matter? I can look through history and inductively reason that a silver tongue is one of the best ways to manipulate and/or change the minds of others. Does the fact that we perceive it as such make the evidence and conclusion any less valid? How so?

6. Since I can't really go into an in depth description of what I mean, I highly recommend you watch Libertarian Socialist Rants' video titled "Education For Obedience". He brings up some good points for us to think about. Sure, you might hate him, but some points you have to really take into consideration.

Ok. I will. I will also tell you when I do, so if I do not actually listen to it, I will be seen as a big jerk.

[Mateo3112]

You should talk to your parents about this. I was too in the closet, and i feared telling my parents i was an atheist would have consequences, because i was born in a very religious family. But one day i told them and they reacted much better than i expected, they told me it was ok and i could believe what i wanted to.
However, if you decide to tell your parents, act carefully, remember, they are your parents after all xD
If you really are scared and really want to skip the prayers for whatever reason you may have, you could fake a hedache or something, although i wouldn't really recomend it.

[Red]

1. well no need to get all up and arms about this geez

2. It most likely proves that they are doing it to make themselves, say, look better than the people who don't tell tehm to do the prayer.

3. well would you rather look like kanye west or an over confident bastard?

4. fuck

5. (strokes beard multiple times) It's due to the fact that people take the words they hear for granted, thus, not forming their own opinions on the matter when introduced to it.

6. Don't misrepresent my argument m9. From what I can tell, you haven't been fully introduced to the notion that public schools are just indoctrination centres. If you don't watch it, I'll just assume you're lazy.

checkm8

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3. well would you rather look like kanye west or an over confident bastard?

I don't see the difference.

[Red]

3. well would you rather look like kanye west or an over confident bastard?

I don't see the difference.

well

[Cirion Spellbinder]

Well. I'm convinced that it doesn't really matter if you participate in just prayer now, but I still fail to see why words are not significant.

[Red]

Well. I'm convinced that it doesn't really matter if you participate in just prayer now, but I still fail to see why words are not significant.

Eh, it's all about human psychology.

[Shadow Fox]

Ok so my family have no idea that Im an atheist, if they did they wud probably kill me well not literally but they wud force me to go to church etc. So like at my school, at every school in Barbados on mornings we have to pray to the Christian God and you can be excused from saying these prayers but in order for that to happen you have to get your parents to write a letter to the school asking for you to be excused, even then when you are excused you are still in the same room and still hear everything that is going on bwe.

How do I get out of prayers at school without letting my family know that Im atheist ?

How do they force you? Is there no laws that keep church and state separate there or any laws that says you can deny doing something that goes against your beliefs?

If it was me, I would just tell them that I worship a different god. Like Baron Samedi, the Voodoo god of death and afterlife.
Or tell em I am a Shinto and only worship Amaterasu and it is forbidden to pray in public settings without the right alters and tributes or my god will punish me.....Or you could just start shouting HAIL SATAN! PRAISE BE OH OUR LORD! THE MORNING STAR SATAN!! PRAISE BE THE LIBERATOOORRR!!! And wave your hands around and flail on the ground speaking in tongues like how some Christians do!

OH! and if I had snakes, I would wave those around too!


please don't do any of this.....unless you REALLY want too!

[Fuzzy]

1. What does it matter that you don't want to do it? Sure, you don't believe in it, what's the harm in doing it? Its only like 15 minutes or so of your life. Not to mention, how many Christians peers do you think also don't want to do the prayer? Exactly. all have to do things we don't want to do. I always participate in the prayer, even though I don't believe in it, & I honestly don't care. It's not hurting anything, anybody, or me, so why should I care so much but such a trivial matter.

2. Okay, good. It's best to play it safe than being curious and seeing what happens.

3. Give me rough estimates.

Urgh. I guess ur right. I'll just participate it feels silly bwe.