Pride vs Safety?

[Freemind]

Hello everyone,

In a few weeks I am visiting my fathers country Algeria, which is not the most religious of all countries, but nevertheless is still a Muslim country. Now I am a proud atheist and have in fact come out to my father on the topic. This is the first time I visit since I've come out that I visit the country. My father is a radical Muslim. I somewhat fear my life as I go to visit. And well my question really is that if soever something does happen and I am a captive, and I am in danger what should I do if they ask me if they ask me if I am Muslim? should I lie and say yes I am. You see my rational thinking brings me to the conclusion that I should not let my pride get in the way of my safety. Is this a sensible way of thinking? Tell me your thoughts...

[EquALLity]

Geez, why would you want to visit when it's that dangerous? I'd advise you not to go at all.

[knot]

With the description you have given it sounds extremely dangerous.

Are you female?
When you told him you're atheist was it in person or via email?
What exactly do you mean by 'radical Muslim'?

[brimstoneSalad]

My father is a radical Muslim.

If you go with him there, you may never come back.

Cherish your life, do not visit this country, and definitely not with your father.

He may make it sound like a visit or a vacation, but his plans as a Muslim may be to take you to a re-education school, where you will be held captive and taught the Qur'an; and beaten until you sing the praises of Allah. Then married off to a Muslim in Algeria, and never be allowed to return.

That, or honor killing, which would go unnoticed there. That might be the less cruel thing.

[Freemind]

With the description you have given it sounds extremely dangerous.

Are you female?
When you told him you're atheist was it in person or via email?
What exactly do you mean by 'radical Muslim'?

No I am a male, I told him in person he reacted violently and by radiacal I mean he's a fundamentalist, he truly believes the scripture very down to the last word, he has told me and proved it in the past and I fear that because the quran says that apostates should be killed that he will proceed and do it.

[Freemind]

Geez, why would you want to visit when it's that dangerous? I'd advise you not to go at all.

Well my father lives there so if I visit him it would be there, and also I have friends there. It true thought that the danger takes all the fun out of it...

[Freemind]

My father is a radical Muslim.

If you go with him there, you may never come back.


The problem is that I cant always live in fear like that, I guess at most if they do force me ill just pretend to be a Muslim till I get back Canada I have no problem reciting scripture its not like it does any harm.. As for the honor killings i mean that a really sucky situation i mean I'm not really afraid of death, but i still don't want to die, like you've said "cherish your life"... Thanks for the post ill re-think if i'm going or not.

[Freemind]

My father is a radical Muslim.

If you go with him there, you may never come back.


The problem is that I cant always live in fear like that, there is the possibility that I never come back, but I guess at most if they do force me ill just pretend to be a Muslim till I find a way to get back Canada I have no problem reciting scripture its not like it does any harm.. As for the honor killings i mean that a really sucky situation i mean I'm not really afraid of death, but i still don't want to die, like you've said "cherish your life"... Thanks for the post ill re-think if i'm going or not, I probably wont just for safe measure.

[garrethdsouza]

As others have said, don't go. Do you have that as a choice you can make and will your dad buy in to any reasons. He could also put on a pretence and act like he's all OK with everything and then do exactly what he wants to do. Afaik there are actual scriptural justifications where its OK to lie for Islam. Quite sickening.


We have had a previous member who's had a similarly rough time and we haven't heard from him recently So I'd also suggest being pretty careful. Here is his story: https://theveganatheist.com/forum/viewt ... =11&t=1153

I doubt if coming out to radicals is ever a good idea, what does it accomplish? You could contact the folks from the council of ex Muslims of north America, both the founders Muhammad syed and Sarah haider are on Facebook, for advice. They might also be pretty useful though I'd be discreet about it.

Another forum member 2048 is also in a similar family though she's not out about her beliefs. So hopefully try successfully not to go.

[garrethdsouza]

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The problem is that I cant always live in fear like that, there is the possibility that I never come back, but I guess at most if they do force me ill just pretend to be a Muslim till I find a way to get back Canada

You might never get that opportunity, they might trap you/violence. It may seem like an improbability but its really hard to say which way itll pan out and we already have another member who got trapped in another country indefinitely and forced into the religion.