Morality > Truth?

[Red]

People who engage in magical thinking claim that if you believe something hard enough, it will become true.
"The law of attraction" stuff, the universe gives you what you focus on.
So, they think science only works for scientists because they believe in it and expect it to work in certain ways.

that makes sense

She knows she is doing it, and that those are the effects of her actions. How is that inadvertent?

Is it inadvertent to kill people by shooting them in the head if all you wanted to do is shoot people in the head but didn't care one way or another if they died in the process (despite that being overwhelmingly probable)?

(Googles definition for inadvertent) Fuck I kinda meant not directly.

Kind of. Terrorism is very rare in the West. It's like people freaking out over sharks, or car airbags.
People are very bad at risk assessment, and vastly overestimate the chances of something rare and exotic/scary/ironic happening, while ignoring more prominent and banal dangers.

We shouldn't be in the Middle East, we should just trade with them and share our culture so they can gradually come around to secular civilization in their own time.

well that's people for you

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You seem to do a lot better than most.

than most what.

[The6thMessenger]

The6thMessenger should stop complaining in the absence of efforts to help the world, but that doesn't at all warrant you encouraging T6M to commit suicide.

I'm not encouraging her to do either one over the other, am I?

I don't know, i really felt that you were encouraging me.

[brimstoneSalad]

(Googles definition for inadvertent) Fuck I kinda meant not directly.

If I just point a gun at you and pull the trigger, then the gun shoots the bullet, and then the bullet blows through your head and kills you, it was totally indirect, right?

than most what.

Most people/most teenagers.

[Red]

If I just point a gun at you and pull the trigger, then the gun shoots the bullet, and then the bullet blows through your head and kills you, it was totally indirect, right?

technically

[brimstoneSalad]

The6thMessenger should stop complaining in the absence of efforts to help the world, but that doesn't at all warrant you encouraging T6M to commit suicide.

I'm not encouraging her to do either one over the other, am I?

I don't know, i really felt that you were encouraging me.

I would prefer that you turn your life around by devoting yourself more to values that are intellectually consistent and really mean something to the world and others, rather than some bullshit code of pseudo-ethics you pulled out of the DMG.
Make caring about others and being a better person a higher priority, and all of the other shit you think is important in life but is making you miserable will kind of fade away.
Your focus on being a better person will give you meaning and fulfillment, alleviate depression and anxiety, and help you look to solutions and inspire you in life rather than moaning about problems and hiding in escapist fantasies like a bottle.

Your focus on hedonism and self-pity will never make you happy. At the very best, you'll temporarily distract yourself from reality, punctuated by mystery and regret, until you die.

Either you snap out of it and start trying to be a better human being -- I'm not talking about over night, but just making a gradual effort to improve -- or you might really be better off looking for the exit.

I would encourage you to do the former.

[brimstoneSalad]

If I just point a gun at you and pull the trigger, then the gun shoots the bullet, and then the bullet blows through your head and kills you, it was totally indirect, right?

technically

The point being that "indirect" doesn't really mean anything. The distinction between "direct" and "indirect" is pretty much in how you phrase it; it's an illusion. Responsibility is what it is. It doesn't matter how many steps your put in your Rube Goldberg machine of causality.

[The6thMessenger]

I would prefer that you turn your life around by devoting yourself more to values that are intellectually consistent and really mean something to the world and others, rather than some bullshit code of pseudo-ethics you pulled out of the DMG.

Make caring about others and being a better person a higher priority, and all of the other shit you think is important in life but is making you miserable will kind of fade away.

Your focus on being a better person will give you meaning and fulfillment, alleviate depression and anxiety, and help you look to solutions and inspire you in life rather than moaning about problems and hiding in escapist fantasies like a bottle.

Your focus on hedonism and self-pity will never make you happy. At the very best, you'll temporarily distract yourself from reality, punctuated by mystery and regret, until you die.

Either you snap out of it and start trying to be a better human being -- I'm not talking about over night, but just making a gradual effort to improve -- or you might really be better off looking for the exit.

I would encourage you to do the former.

Thanks for your suggestion, I'll make sure that I'll rename myself "brimstoneSalad" the moment I change. If you could also point me to a college, a specific person to marry, what would be my hobbies and interests, that would be great.

You sound like Sye Ten though, you also sound like this guy; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8b3vhTO248. (Any chance a youtube viewer would be implemented in this sight?)

All i asked is: Morality > Truth?, just some clarifications.

[Red]

Thanks for your suggestion, I'll make sure that I'll rename myself "brimstoneSalad" the moment I change. If you could also point me to a college, a specific person to marry, what would be my hobbies and interests, that would be great.

Now you're just sounding bitter. Look, brimstone criticized you, you understand it's valid criticism, so why not just flat out admit you're wrong? Our opinion of you would be higher. If you're going to criticize someone like that, at least present an argument.

[The6thMessenger]

Now you're just sounding bitter. Look, brimstone criticized you, you understand it's valid criticism, so why not just flat out admit you're wrong? Our opinion of you would be higher. If you're going to criticize someone like that, at least present an argument.

Am I not allowed to have my own interests and values? I mean all he said seemed to me like he is imposing HIS values onto me. Like that muslim guy imposing his own culture's value of modesty onto another.

I mean, does he really know me well enough that not caring for other people makes me miserable? That being a "better" (by his standards as it seems) would make me feel a sense of meaning and fulfillment.

The thing is that it's HIS values -- it's what makes him happy. And you know what, I am wrong -- i admit it. But the thing is that, compassion although in the list, but isn't in my top priority. And i think all of you would agree that i will be a very bad doctor, since I won't be true to the Hippocratic Oath.

I came here for the question: Morality > Truth?, which has been already answered, all i ever wanted is inquiry. All of this is already off-topic, and seemingly like a witch-hunt.

[Red]

Am I not allowed to have my own interests and values? I mean all he said seemed to me like he is imposing HIS values onto me. Like that muslim guy imposing his own culture's value of modesty onto another.

You can have your own intrests and values, they just aren't on a moral high ground. You're only concern about your own interests and intentions. We have a word for that.

I mean, does he really know me well enough that not caring for other people makes me miserable? That being a "better" (by his standards as it seems) would make me feel a sense of meaning and fulfillment.

So wait, let me get this straight.. you aren't interested in morality because it doesn't fufill your own interests?

The thing is that it's HIS values -- it's what makes him happy.

So you're saying that being moral doesn't make you happy? I mean, being moral is for the benefit and happiness of everyone else. You're not interested in morality because it just doesn't satisfy you (like asked earlier)?

I came here for the question: Morality > Truth?, which has been already answered. All of this is already off-topic, and seemingly like a witch-hunt.

How is this relevant.