How to debunk the logical consistency of Jewish/Christian/Islam religion for once and for all in a few steps

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Cortez48
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How to debunk the logical consistency of Jewish/Christian/Islam religion for once and for all in a few steps

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Let me just get straight to the point:

The god of the three major religions has a couple of traits: he is omnipotent, onnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, timeless, formless and a few other mediocre ones.
Then why does evil, injustice, pain, suffering and murder/killing exist in such a 'perfect' world created by such a 'perfect' being?
According to logic, this can only be if god hasn't got one of the four 'omni-traits' or because he simply doesnt exist.

When asked why their god still hasnt used his omnipotent power to stop the devil, religious people will always answer in a few ways like: that it is according to his plans, that judgement day will come, or that god is sleeping all this time and can wake up at any moment (which doesnt make him omnipotent in the first place). Or religious people will answer this question by saying that without evil, good doesnt exist, so that the creation is still perfect.

Now, the truth of god's plan is that he has created the devil and humans as a scapegoat in his plans so people belief good actions are god and bad actions are godless and for the devil. Because god has created the universe according to religion, the only logical explanation is that god is ultimately responsible for his creation - not humans and the devil. And if god is the original creator of the devil AND uses him as a scapegoat, the only logical explanation is that their god is even more evil and 'imperfect' than the devil. But religious people will, off course, always deny this scapegoating.

This brings the logical consistency of these three major religions to it's knees. This proves that their god is either not omnipotent, omnibenevolent or non-existent.
These steps can never fully disprove that god's dont exist, but they can address the logical inconsistency of the god of the three major religions in a few very simple steps.


If one will now ask how I would've created an even better, more ethical world if I were a creator, I'll gladly explain in another comment as I think that is an even more interesting question to answer :)
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Re: How to debunk the logical consistency of Jewish/Christian/Islam religion for once and for all in a few steps

Post by brimstoneSalad »

Welcome, you should post an intro.

The theistic response to this (this trilemma, like that of Epicurus) is called a theodicy; of which there are as many as there are interpretations of religion. It might be easier to address the responses to particular sects.
Some even define good and evil relative to the actions of their god, so whatever it does is good (even if human beings may in their mortal opinions consider those actions evil, it is humans who are wrong).
I find a more important criticism of these qualities to be the direct logical contradictions they entail, like the impossibility of omnipotence.
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Re: How to debunk the logical consistency of Jewish/Christian/Islam religion for once and for all in a few steps

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Hi! Yes I want to do an intro, but I'll do that at post which is about a short introduction :)

I am also aware that some theists will always say that whatever god does is good, but I'm sure I explained this logical inconsistency in my original post/comment (as I explained that god is ultimately responsible and that he js even more evil than the devil).

And yes, I am aware of it being called a theodicy :) I didnt mention the direct philosophical impossibility of omnipotence and omniscience. This is a good one which I was already aware of as one can always ask: "but what it there is something BEYOND the 'infinite' knowledge/power that you are aware of which you dont know?" :)
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