In Nine Minutes, you will be pledging your support to the DPRK in its noble battle against imperialism

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In Nine Minutes, you will be pledging your support to the DPRK in its noble battle against imperialism

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ItHEYhxaw4

When you watch this 9 minute video, you will either have accepted the supreme Juche ideology of the wise Kim Il-sung and the immortal science of socialism or you are too brainwashed by Ultraconservative Right-Wing Liberal Fascist propaganda and are hence a lost cause (you probably still believe Clinton and Trump are rivals lol).
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Some of these claims are true, some are not.
There's no third party evidence for a number of them, such as the legitimacy of elections (Kim was not voted out of office as the video claims, for example).
If ever he is voted out of office AND turns over power, that will be proof it's a democracy. At this point they're Schrödinger's elections; we just don't know either way.

That said, North Korea did get a raw deal in terms of agricultural productivity, and the refusal to give the country aid due to political differences with the rulers could be seen as pretty shitty.
Unfortunately there's a lot of anti-capitalist nonsense in the video, although I believe this is what they sincerely believe.
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brimstoneSalad wrote:Some of these claims are true, some are not.
There's no third party evidence for a number of them, such as the legitimacy of elections (Kim was not voted out of office as the video claims, for example).
If ever he is voted out of office AND turns over power, that will be proof it's a democracy. At this point they're Schrödinger's elections; we just don't know either way.

That said, North Korea did get a raw deal in terms of agricultural productivity, and the refusal to give the country aid due to political differences with the rulers could be seen as pretty shitty.
Unfortunately there's a lot of anti-capitalist nonsense in the video, although I believe this is what they sincerely believe.
That was a typo. It was meant to say almost voted out of office. The creator of the video said this in the comments below.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: That was a typo. It was meant to say almost voted out of office. The creator of the video said this in the comments below.
Hope you realize that "almost" isn't evidence of democracy. The fact that he was not could be due to vote rigging (it's easier to stuff a few ballots than to change all of them), or it could be due to a genuine victory.

If leadership ever changes hands, then we'll actually know. So, it was really a pointless example for him to give.
The only other way we could have confidence in the elections' results is if they were overseen by a trusted third party.

I find it very plausible that the lower level elections are democratic, within certain bounds (approved candidates and parties).
I don't completely disagree with candidates and parties needing approval based on certain litmus tests, but I don't know how their system works.
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