I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

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Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

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brimstoneSalad wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 2:34 am The most important thing is really mixing so there's neighborly interaction in proximity and in the same socioeconomic class.
Mixed classrooms, mixed offices, mixed families.
A stratified society with ghettos of second class citizens belonging to a marginalized religion where they never have civil interaction with the other group is potentially a recipe for disaster.
I agree. What steps can be taken to prevent residential segregation? Most people will want to move to the neighbourhoods where their friends and relatives live.
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Cloppy wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:29 pm I think that religion is important it's especially an important part of culture. I don't think Islam should stop existing, but the laws need to be change in Islamic countries. I remember of two Christian Pakistani who fled to Thailand so they don't get killed in their country and Thailand wanted to send them back to Pakistan and they would get executed. I think they managed to stay in Thailand, but I'm not sure. I didn't hear much of what happened after. In those countries they should allow the freedom of religion and at the limit if they still want to keep it just at least make non-muslims pay a certain amount of money to the government. That's way better than getting executed. So yeah like I said in the beginning religion is very important especially important for the culture so it should still exist, but I think muslims should keep it in their countries and not bring this religion to Europe, America and Asia. Yeah, I would be called a racist because I said that, but it's true. Just look at all the terrorist attacks, 95% of them are done by muslims and I'm not saying that all muslims are bad, but to avoid this, muslims should stay in muslim countries. That's what I think about it.
You would have slave holders stay at home. Ok.

Do free people have a responsibility and duty to try to insure that all people share in that freedom?

Remember that in the civil war to end slavery in the States, free Northerners saw it as their duty to free Southern slaves.

Does that sense of duty evaporate at some other border?

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Jebus wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:20 am [
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I am an Islamophobe. Islamophobia is a fear of Islam.
A phobia is an irrational fear. I think perhaps you are using the wrong word here as you have outlined valid reasons to fear Islam. More likely, you are copying the incorrect word most people use who have a fear/dislike of Islam.
I agree on the miss-use. You are paying attention. Nice.
Greatest I am wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:35 pmI am proudly an Islamophobe. If you are not you might not be a moral person.
Morality is a word related to actions rather than thoughts. What have you done to make Islam less of a threat? If you haven't done anything, according to your own words, you might not be a moral person.
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From Wiki.
Ethics or moral philosophy is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.

I am French and view the word morals as what is learned from something as in the moral of the story.
I see ethics as an expression that relates to the actions taken from that moral lesson.

I do see some differences/contradictions in the various definitions in dictionaries and encyclopaedias and since I am not English I do not think I am qualified to argue against you if you are English or dictionaries and encyclopaedias.

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brimstoneSalad wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:25 am I agree with Jebus on the definition of a phobia.
So the question would be if you think your reasons are rational or not.

Not to say you can't be islamophobic if you think your fear is rational, because it may not really be.
My fear of Islam is in proportion to the threat, on the order of lightning strikes or sharks.
I also agree with Jebus as shown in my reply to him.

To your last. This is not about you. It is about how your see your duty to others and if you follow the Golden Rule or not.

I do not have the stats but compare the numbers of natural disasters like lightning strikes or sharks to Islam non-natural hits.

https://www.therebel.media/tiffany_gabbay_april_19

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Greatest I am wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 11:31 amEthics or moral philosophy is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.
Yes, but that is different from a moral or an immoral person.

A moral pedophile is one who resists his urges and stays away from children.
An immoral pedophile is one who gives in to his urges and becomes a child molester.
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Jebus wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 1:55 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 11:31 amEthics or moral philosophy is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.
Yes, but that is different from a moral or an immoral person.
True. Morals seem to refer to the thinking process, as in the moral of the story.

A moral pedophile is one who resists his urges and stays away from children.
I agree and point out that resistance is a mental function.
An immoral pedophile is one who gives in to his urges and becomes a child molester.
Again I agree, he gives in to his poor moral sense and acts in an unethical way.

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Usually people who use the word Islamophobe are referring to people with prejudice against Muslims (also the original definition), not those worrying about the impacts Islam has on the world.

So if you're talking about Islamophobia, you have to be clear what you mean.
Here are things that I would vs would not define as Islamophobia:

Not Islamophobia (in my opinion):
Disagreeing with wearing the hijab (etc.) because it oppresses women
Thinking Islam is incorrect
Thinking Islam has radical aspects that are harming out world
Thinking mainstream Islam has immoral aspects
Thinking that countries should be secular, not Islamic
Using the phrase "Islamic terrorism"
Firing a Muslim worker for not doing their job due to their religious beliefs

Islamophobia:
Wanting to restrict Muslim immigration
Banning or restricting Islamic clothing (except in rare cases, such as a security check or something)
Banning or restricting practice of Islam in mosques etc.
Making generalizations about Muslims being terrorists
Voting for Donald Trump :)
Not letting in Syrian refugees, most of whom (in US) are women and children
Thinking less of someone because they are Muslim
Painting Muslims as "the other"
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EquALLity wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 5:05 pm Usually people who use the word Islamophobe are referring to people with prejudice against Muslims (also the original definition), not those worrying about the impacts Islam has on the world.

So if you're talking about Islamophobia, you have to be clear what you mean.
Here are things that I would vs would not define as Islamophobia:

Not Islamophobia (in my opinion):
Disagreeing with wearing the hijab (etc.) because it oppresses women
Thinking Islam is incorrect
Thinking Islam has radical aspects that are harming out world
Thinking mainstream Islam has immoral aspects
Thinking that countries should be secular, not Islamic
Using the phrase "Islamic terrorism"
Firing a Muslim worker for not doing their job due to their religious beliefs

Islamophobia:
Wanting to restrict Muslim immigration
Banning or restricting Islamic clothing (except in rare cases, such as a security check or something)
Banning or restricting practice of Islam in mosques etc.
Making generalizations about Muslims being terrorists
Voting for Donald Trump :)
Not letting in Syrian refugees, most of whom (in US) are women and children
Thinking less of someone because they are Muslim
Painting Muslims as "the other"
First, let me say that I am not Islamophobic even though I used the word in the title.
A phobia is not usually justified and my fear of Islam polluting the West with a slave holding cult is quite real.

By your lists, I am not in the Islamophobia description.

I do not agree with what you list under Islamophobia.

Please allow me to break it down and give my view.

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Wanting to restrict Muslim immigration

I have noted that some pledges of allegiance are made to the flag of a country, which to me represents their political views. I have also noted that where most Muslim emigrate to, the moment they have a given population, they try to implement Sharia law which is a political system. That means that the immigrants are breaking their oath, or never meant it.

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Banning or restricting Islamic clothing (except in rare cases, such as a security check or something)

I do support a ban on such wear as to me, they are a sign of slavery that Muslim men impose onto their slaved Muslim women.

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Banning or restricting practice of Islam in mosques etc.

Many mosques preach hate against Jews, apostates and infidels. I would like to see restrictions on all hate speech against people. I would support free speech against immoral religions such as Islam and Christianity, two religions that are mainstream and are both homophobic and misogynous and thus advocating hate against gays and inequality under the law against women.

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Making generalizations about Muslims being terrorists

I can agree with this while at the same time I criticizing all who fly the star and crescent as I see all Muslims as contributing to the whole which would include the Jihadists.

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Voting for Donald Trump :)

Although I did like him standing against Islam, that liking has soured.

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Not letting in Syrian refugees, most of whom (in US) are women and children

SinceI see Muslim men as slaves to their religion and them making second class slave out of their women, I would invite the Muslim women in but not the men unless they genuinely rejected Sharia law.

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Thinking less of someone because they are Muslim

I think less of all religionists who have gone into moral and intellectual dissonance by becoming idol worshipers of God like Allah and Yahweh whom are demonstrably immoral Gods.

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Painting Muslims as "the other"

Sharia following Muslims are intolerant of all who are not Muslims and since reciprocity is fair play, I am morally coverd by thinking of them as the other.

Please listen to what this woman says about this issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgnqjMRJUJI

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Greatest I Am wrote:I have noted that some pledges of allegiance are made to the flag of a country, which to me represents their political views. I have also noted that where most Muslim emigrate to, the moment they have a given population, they try to implement Sharia law which is a political system. That means that the immigrants are breaking their oath, or never meant it.
No?
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EquALLity wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 7:49 pm
Greatest I Am wrote:I have noted that some pledges of allegiance are made to the flag of a country, which to me represents their political views. I have also noted that where most Muslim emigrate to, the moment they have a given population, they try to implement Sharia law which is a political system. That means that the immigrants are breaking their oath, or never meant it.
No?
I have noted that, yes.

How would you know what I have noted and why would you lie about what you cannot know?

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