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Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:49 pm
by Jebus
Only white supremacists are allowed on Stormfront. They moderate the first 10 posts of any new member (why don't we do this?) just to make sure there is no trolling or spamming. Hence, an anti-racist cannot really voice his/her opinions. I actually haven't lied yet as I think I can get it done just by being ambiguous. This was my intro:
theCosbyshow wrote:Dear Superior Race,
I come from Mauritius, a country with less than 1% whites. I am looking forward to some interesting discussions.
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:40 pm
by EquALLity
^Oh, you joined?
Can you link to your intro? I can't find it.
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:42 pm
by Jebus
EquALLity wrote:^Oh, you joined?
Can you link to your intro? I can't find it.
You will have to wait 10 days because of their mod policy.
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:45 pm
by EquALLity
Jebus wrote:EquALLity wrote:^Oh, you joined?
Can you link to your intro? I can't find it.
You will have to wait 10 days because of their mod policy.
Maybe post screenshots?
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:55 pm
by Jebus
EquALLity wrote:Maybe post screenshots?
Too late now. Are you joining also? It would be nice if I have some support when the shit hits the ceiling.
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:14 pm
by EquALLity
Jebus wrote:EquALLity wrote:Maybe post screenshots?
Too late now. Are you joining also? It would be nice if I have some support when the shit hits the ceiling.
Screenshots later, then?
I might join later to see it all go down, and maybe I'll comment.
The possible issue is that we don't want Neo-Nazis being activists, because it might put other people off, right? But how would people know that they're Neo-Nazis?
"Hello, take this leaflet to help animals. Also, Aryans are superior."
Maybe after shit hits the ceiling and they are all against you, call yourself an Aryan Jew or something? I would love to see that.
If I do join, what should my username be? Hmmmm.....
I know, I know! 'WhiteLivesMatter'.
Like a spin on the Black Lives Matter movement, to make it out like white people are systematically oppressed in the west. ;D
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:27 pm
by Jebus
I had to think a bit about my username as I wanted it to be ambiguous. Either they will think that I am a troll who likes the Cosby Show or a supremacist who is trying to draw attention to one of the other team's finest who drugs and rapes white women.
Actually the funniest thing will be in a few months when I post a picture of me and my wife (who is black).
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:31 pm
by EquALLity
Jebus wrote:Actually the funniest thing will be in a few months when I post a picture of me and my wife (who is black).
LMFAO!
That will be
priceless. Ok, I'll be the Aryan Jew, then.
The only concern I have about debating them about veganism is that they would be bad activists if people knew that they were Neo-Nazis, but now I'm wondering how much of a concern that is...
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:03 am
by AlexanderVeganTheist
A pretty apt parody of neo-nazi's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs0V5HjAzAU from the N.W.A. the nazi's without aptitude.
Re: Conversation About Veganism on Stormfront.org
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:12 am
by AlexanderVeganTheist
brimstoneSalad wrote:Jebus wrote:AlexanderVeganTheist wrote:
IMO you are being deceptive and creating a facade and that is not ethical.
Who is being harmed by this deception? No one.
Who can benefit from this deception? Racist forum members who might be persuaded that their viewpoints are harmful and irrational.
How is this not ethical?
This is actually a VERY interesting topic.
Also, the if Nazis advocating veganism is useful (I actually don't know, it's an important question to ask though).
I would say they are both tied to a certain degree of consequential uncertainty due to lack of complete information.
Deception usually explodes and causes more harm (unforeseen) than good. But it also compromises personal reputation.
My policy is just not to lie, ever, and to find another way. I might let them assume I'm a racist if I thought it would help me talk to them (and it was useful) though; it's a fine line. I'm not sure which you're doing, though, so I don't want to make my own assumptions.
The trouble is that if we would lie to promote something, like somebody saying "going vegan will cure your cancer, sure thing!" it may damage the credibility of veganism, for example, on a larger scale (although that may be harder to do now), and create a kind of "boy who cried wolf" scenario where the true things you say may be doubted based on your motivations.
To Jebus: so the plan is basically to keep up the racist facade for some time, and then come clean with a "Surprise! I was an anti-racist all along". In my opinion the nazis will just see that as "typically leftist" indicating a lack of morals, a consequentialist approach (not caring about truth, only about results, much like "Obama") etc. It will just taint any egalitarian or anti-racist sentiments you might develop in these people with having lied all along. I have to agree with brimstoneSalad that it will most likely not have good consequences.
They have rules on their forum, and you come to their forum not respecting their rules, by pretending to be something you're not. You wouldn't like someone pretending to be positive towards veganism, only to come out as a meat eater after some time, so no matter how reprehensible these people's opinions might be, you shouldn't do something similar to them, IMO.