Converting Back To Theism

[bobo0100]

But, but Gaben has low low prices. Your move Dizzy.

[Dizzy]

But, but Gaben has low low prices. Your move Dizzy.

Jesus has lower prices, all he asks is your faith in him.

[bobo0100]

Okay I'm going to stop picking on you, because I don't think its constructive.

May Gaben bless your hart, and open your eyes... to low low prices.

[garrethdsouza]

What is this "faith"? If you're meaning accept things without evidence, no honest individual would expect such a thing of anyone. That is the realm of conmen.

If someone asked you to give them your life savings and they'd double it within a year, would you do it if they have no evidence to prove that they can? Or they ask you to believe in anything they're saying but not giving you any evidence that it's real, on what basis can you honestly do that?

There are loads of deities each asking you to believe that they're real without any evidence. The moment you accept anything is true without evidence, there is no basis for you to not accept any othee claim without evidence either. You'd have to accept any and all baseless and even contradictory claims since the logic one is falling is accept something despite lack of evidence.

It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence. - William Kingdon Clifford

[Red]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[jimgees]

There is some useful information in the bible.

[Red]

Please, obtain a steam account and open your eyes to out lord and saviout Gaben

[bobo0100]

There is some useful information in the bible.

Yeah but the information is useful in a non biblical context as well. Be it crop rotation, or judging the goodness of a person on the basis of there actions and not there place in society (the good Samaritan), these are conclusions we didn't need the bible to reach, nor did the bible aid us in reaching such conclusions.

[jimgees]

There is some useful information in the bible.

Yeah but the information is useful in a non biblical context as well. Be it crop rotation, or judging the goodness of a person on the basis of there actions and not there place in society (the good Samaritan), these are conclusions we didn't need the bible to reach, nor did the bible aid us in reaching such conclusions.

People go off topic here alot. You dont know how things would be if you didnt have them. Speculation.

[bobo0100]

People go off topic here alot. You dont know how things would be if you didnt have them. Speculation.

That's besides the point. The biblical version of crop rotation is very different from the modern science based understanding, where the basis is in soil nutrients, And as for the latter, it practically follows from a utilitarian framework. These conclusions can be reached in a secular mindset independent of the bible, and find me a example of the bible being useful that cannot be reached from a secular perspective? when its not secularly good, its useless.

It would make just as much sense to say there are things in "Les Miserables", "harry potter", or "Brave New World" are useful. What's the implication you take from this? That "Les Miserables", "harry potter", and "Brave New World" are divinely inspired?