Was This Taken to Far?

[EquALLity]

I think he was saying that he agrees it was taken to far, but can understand his actions and why he was pissed.

That's what I thought at first, but then I don't think it'd really make sense to vote 'no'.

I stated it was wrong, because as a society we shouldn't condone it. I voted no because my personal belief is "Fuck that guy. Now he can't rape or masturbate, and after what he did to the child, his suffering makes me laugh."

So you think it's ok to hurt someone just for vengeance? You think it's amusing to cause suffering to another person just for the sake of causing suffering?

How does that make sense? It only adds more suffering to the world. It's objectively immoral.

[_Doc]

I stated it was wrong, because as a society we shouldn't condone it. I voted no because my personal belief is "Fuck that guy. Now he can't rape or masturbate, and after what he did to the child, his suffering makes me laugh."

When you were explaining the teenager you described him as "a violent, sexual sadist who takes joy in causing misery." And now you just said "his suffering makes me laugh". You are taking joy in his misery.

[PsYcHo]

So you think it's ok to hurt someone just for vengeance? You think it's amusing to cause suffering to another person just for the sake of causing suffering?

How does that make sense? It only adds more suffering to the world. It's objectively immoral.

Be sure you are differentiating between my personal opinion on the matter, and what I believe society should do. I think I made it pretty clear as a society we can't condone the father's behavior. As for my personal opinion-

Vengeance accomplishes nothing, but it makes me feel better in certain cases. Once someone causes harm to an innocent person, especially for such a lowly reason as sexual gratification, I no longer see them as deserving of much compassion. You mention this rapist was left screaming and bloody. So was the baby he made the choice to rape. In this particular case, not only do I find it amusing the father chopped off the guy's hands, if there was a video I would make a bag of popcorn and invite some people over to watch. I've seen too much evil in my life, so I have little to no remorse for evil people suffering.

Obviously, my personal opinion shouldn't be used by others as a moral compass. So what I personally believe, and what I believe we as a society should do, are not always the same.

[PsYcHo]

When you were explaining the teenager you described him as "a violent, sexual sadist who takes joy in causing misery." And now you just said "his suffering makes me laugh". You are taking joy in his misery.

Yes, but only because he made the choice to harm an innocent person. He took joy in making the baby suffer. He enjoys the suffering of the innocent, I enjoy the suffering of evil.

Only one of us is a danger to innocent people.

[EquALLity]

Be sure you are differentiating between my personal opinion on the matter, and what I believe society should do. I think I made it pretty clear as a society we can't condone the father's behavior. As for my personal opinion-

That doesn't seem to be a consistent position.

If you really think his suffering is a good thing, you should think society should encourage it. Why not?

Vengeance accomplishes nothing, but it makes me feel better in certain cases. Once someone causes harm to an innocent person, especially for such a lowly reason as sexual gratification

Ok, it makes you feel better, but that doesn't make it moral.

The teen raped the baby for pleasure, and you want to maul the teen for pleasure.
In both cases, harm to another is being justified with personal pleasure. I'm not equating you to the rapist, by the way, I'm just putting things in perspective.

This is a question of morality, so I guess we need to examine your opinions about morality.
Do you agree that adding more suffering to the world for personal pleasure is objectively immoral? If so, why not?

I no longer see them as deserving of much compassion. You mention this rapist was left screaming and bloody. So was the baby he made the choice to rape. In this particular case, not only do I find it amusing the father chopped off the guy's hands, if there was a video I would make a bag of popcorn and invite some people over to watch. I've seen too much evil in my life, so I have little to no remorse for evil people suffering.

There's a lot of evil in the world, but you can't use that to justify more evil.

This teen did something very immoral, one of the most immoral things a person can do... Why would we respond to that by adding more suffering to the world? It's not like there's any real point to this suffering; it's just causing suffering to cause suffering.
Nobody is being helped, so it's not moral. Somebody is suffering for pleasure, though, which I see as objectively immoral.

[EquALLity]

When you were explaining the teenager you described him as "a violent, sexual sadist who takes joy in causing misery." And now you just said "his suffering makes me laugh". You are taking joy in his misery.

Yes, but only because he made the choice to harm an innocent person. He took joy in making the baby suffer. He enjoys the suffering of the innocent, I enjoy the suffering of evil.

Only one of us is a danger to innocent people.

Why does it matter if people are innocent?

[PsYcHo]

If you really think his suffering is a good thing, you should think society should encourage it. Why not?

His suffering isn't a "good" thing. It is evil and immoral. The fact that I enjoy it merely makes me the lesser of two evils. My personal opinion is based on emotion, not rationale.

Ok, it makes you feel better, but that doesn't make it moral.

I don't believe I ever said it was moral. I'm aware it is quite the opposite.

The teen raped the baby for pleasure, and you want to maul the teen for pleasure.
In both cases, harm to another is being justified with personal pleasure. I'm not equating you to the rapist, by the way, I'm just putting things in perspective.

No argument here. He and I are both sadists, I suppose. However, my sadism is reserved for other sadist only.

This is a question of morality, so I guess we need to examine your opinions about morality.
Do you agree that adding more suffering to the world for personal pleasure is objectively immoral? If so, why not?

Of course adding more suffering to the world is immoral. That is why what I believe we should do as a society and my own personal opinion of what I would like to do are different. I am fully aware my feelings toward the rapist and what happened to him are not moral. I do not deny that I have a dark side which under certain circumstances could make the father's actions seem tame.

There's a lot of evil in the world, but you can't use that to justify more evil.

I can't justify it, but I can still enjoy when evil is made to suffer.

This teen did something very immoral, one of the most immoral things a person can do... Why would we respond to that by adding more suffering to the world? It's not like there's any real point to this suffering; it's just causing suffering to cause suffering.
Nobody is being helped, so it's not moral. Somebody is suffering for pleasure, though, which I see as objectively immoral.

No arguments here. It is immoral, and perfectly sadistic on my part to enjoy his suffering. But I still do.
I am not advocating anyone use my own personal morality as their own. Mine was shaped by life experiences. I'm sure we both agree that society cannot function if everyone based their actions on emotion instead of morality and logic.

[Jaywalker]

I'm with Psycho, I like it. I also don't agree it's necessarily bad, vigilantism may be effective where they live. Haven't really looked into the details.

[knot]

Yes, he went too far. Vigilantism is rarely, if ever, a good idea -- the rule of law should be respected. A big reason why violence has declined throughout history is because we have moved the dispensation of justice to independent 3rd parties. If he's such a fan of criminals getting their limbs chopped off, perhaps he should have moved to an Islamic country.

[PsYcHo]

Yes, he went too far. Vigilantism is rarely, if ever, a good idea -- the rule of law should be respected.

I agree, and that's why I said society can't allow it. I merely take personal pleasure in the fact that the father went outside the law for vengeance. Doesn't mean I condone it or think it should be allowed. I would take pleasure in seeing someone who is yelling at a store clerk get bopped on the head with a rubber mallet, but I don't anyone should actually do it.

A big reason why violence has declined throughout history is because we have moved the dispensation of justice to independent 3rd parties.If he's such a fan of criminals getting their limbs chopped off, perhaps he should have moved to an Islamic country .

While I don't think it should be allowed, I do take personal pleasure in seeing violent criminals get a taste of their own medicine. To see a thief or an "adulterer" have a limb chopped off would be horrible. To see the person who chopped off their limbs get his own chopped off, not so much.

I would not find a man falling off a building into a cactus patch funny. If the man was a hostage taker with a gun on top of a building, slipped and fell into a cactus patch, I would find that hilarious.