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miniboes wrote:
Why do you think this would be useful? As I said, the movement is tiny. In the Netherlands, there isn't even an actual organization; just 7 guys.
An actual organization would help it grow by providing a means to raise funds and advertise its policies.
A third party can establish alliances and endorse another if they don't have sufficient support for their own candidates. It doesn't necessarily take away from anything, but creates a coherent voice that's actually a valid alternative to the woo-based pseudo-environmentalism that predominates now.
miniboes wrote:Also, Michael Shellenberger, the guy who's pro-nuclear TED talk I posted recently
Can you post that again?
It would be great if you could contact those guys.
miniboes wrote:
Why do you think this would be useful? As I said, the movement is tiny. In the Netherlands, there isn't even an actual organization; just 7 guys.
An actual organization would help it grow by providing a means to raise funds and advertise its policies.
Agreed.
A third party can establish alliances and endorse another if they don't have sufficient support for their own candidates. It doesn't necessarily take away from anything, but creates a coherent voice that's actually a valid alternative to the woo-based pseudo-environmentalism that predominates now.
Don't you think the effort we might put into establishing a political party would be far better invested in growing the movement? Most movements, like the animal rights one, grow first and then, once they have enough of a following that a seat in parliament might be feasible, add a political party. I think a party for such a small movement may hurt credibility since there's widespread mockery of small parties in our country because there's so many.
brimstoneSalad wrote:
miniboes wrote:Also, Michael Shellenberger, the guy who's pro-nuclear TED talk I posted recently
(Weird: I can't edit my post above; it when I click submit I get redirected to a blank post and it says 'your message contains too few characters'. I can still edit other posts though.)
Mark Lynas wrote:The projection is that we'll need to double food production by 2050 to cope with population growth and also increased affluence in developing countries and changing dietary preferences towards more meat.
So this clearly applies that meat consumption is relatively inefficient, but instead of proposes we should encourage people to eat less meat he just says we need more energy to meet the demand.
Glory!
He saves it later on, saying "reducing meat consumption is a good thing in almost any way you can imagine"
He names the animals, the environment and human health (in that order!) to clarify that statement.
He stresses the point multiple times throughout the lecture. https://youtu.be/sf_MrIBUPHE?t=32m37s
If that is the common line of though among ecomodernists, then I am doubtful if the movement has any major flaws at all aside from being small.
"I advocate infinite effort on behalf of very finite goals, for example correcting this guy's grammar."
- David Frum
About editing: You may have had a messed up character somewhere, particularly in a tag, if it told you that.
miniboes wrote:
Don't you think the effort we might put into establishing a political party would be far better invested in growing the movement? Most movements, like the animal rights one, grow first and then, once they have enough of a following that a seat in parliament might be feasible, add a political party. I think a party for such a small movement may hurt credibility since there's widespread mockery of small parties in our country because there's so many.
An organization gives a movement credibility and clear leadership structure, which enhances credibility and gives people something to join. If the movement waits too long, it could be co-opted somehow.
The important thing for small parties is to not reach beyond your means. Don't make a silly run for high level government seats before you establish a base in local politics. That's the punchline of the joke.
