Philosophical Vegan Forum

brimstoneSalad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:55 pm Basically just extracting the core arguments and editing all of these discussions and threads into wiki articles?

I think that would be great if you're up for doing it. It would surely take a lot of editing.

Yeah starting from that basis and then having an 'Open letter to Matt' collaborative wiki feel. With categories like Normative Ethics and subcatagories like; Consequentialist, Virtue, Deontology, Theology and Existentialist.

I'd want it to have broad support from the forum as could change the image of the site quite a bit.

I know there are lots of sites that let you setup wikis on their domain - http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Scratchpad - but not sure about implementing wikipedia programming into your own hosted site address.

NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:04 pm Yeah starting from that basis and then having an 'Open letter to Matt' collaborative wiki feel. With categories like Normative Ethics and subcatagories like; Consequentialist, Virtue, Deontology, Theology and Existentialist.

I'd want it to have broad support from the forum as could change the image of the site quite a bit.

I'd be able to read and offer a few edits, but you might end up doing the lion's share of the work. I wouldn't have time to contribute very much.

The health stuff and basic philosophy should be pretty easy to avoid controversy on, but I hope you'd be OK keeping the articles that reference politics pretty centrist and skeptical.

In terms of contributions, copy+paste and limited editing from threads might generate content more easily.
That said, it might also draw in more users who are more interested in the wiki than the forum itself, so there might be more contribution over time.

NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:04 pm I know there are lots of sites that let you setup wikis on their domain - http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Scratchpad - but not sure about implementing wikipedia programming into your own hosted site address.

I don't think that'd be a problem, as long as we could be sure there'd be enough content created on the Wiki.
Would hate to put it there and have it just end up with like two half finished articles because everybody got busy.
If it generated serious content, that would definitely be worth it though.

I'd be willing to help out. Since I'm pretty confused about most political issues i can keep our lefties in check a bit.

The height of skepticism to politics is grand with me, would just be interested to follow the histories. It's the best way with wiki anyways to stick to recording theory, philosophy and events, so as not to tread on anyone's toes when editing each others pages.

We can also be working on lists and ideas on the forum before going live with the wiki. I'd start working in word and private message the first drafts to peeps so as to make sure we have a good table of contents to present on day one.

To a democratic vote then

http://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3129

More provisos or detraction's the merrier.

NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:13 am The height of skepticism to politics is grand with me,

With respect to deviation from mainstream theory.

There are plenty of well established principles in vegan politics and economics, like ending subsidies for animal agriculture, promoting vegan alternatives on the market, and making it more expensive for animal agriculture to do business (and hopefully less miserable lives for animals in the process). When we're talking about working within the existing system to change things, I think that's different. We can be prescriptive (rather than defeatist) about the steps people should take given the goal of working within the system.

NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:13 amwould just be interested to follow the histories.

History isn't always the best example, although it can show us how things can go wrong, it doesn't always tell us the best way to proceed (or even a viable route, given differences). Application of history to modern day and animal rights struggles is pretty speculative. I think that's something we have to take a skeptical approach to. I think it's fair to analyze the similarities and differences, as long as we avoid being prescriptive.

NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:13 am It's the best way with wiki anyways to stick to recording theory, philosophy and events, so as not to tread on anyone's toes when editing each others pages.

But if it's useful this is also an activism guide in a way. We have to be prescriptive with some things, otherwise it'll just be confusing.
Hopefully not "rational wiki" territory of vitriol and bias, but we should be able to recommend courses of action we can all mostly agree on.

NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:13 am We can also be working on lists and ideas on the forum before going live with the wiki. I'd start working in word and private message the first drafts to peeps so as to make sure we have a good table of contents to present on day one.

Threads to discuss articles sounds good.