Why are U.S. citizens ignoring the 6% gain on GDP, by not nationalizing health care?

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Re: Why are U.S. citizens ignoring the 6% gain on GDP, by not nationalizing health care?

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PsYcHo wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:11 amWhile I agree the subsidies should be removed (not just for ethical reasons, but politically fiscal ones as well), I don't think that would solve the healthcare budgetary issues.
Probably not, but it would go a long way.
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PsYcHo wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:05 am I'm pretty much for as little government as possible, (I have no problem with a person being able to go into a store and buying Heroin and rounds for your AR-15, and milk.), but in this case, I actually agree with you.

Since we are already being taxed (against our will, I might add), maybe instead of spending countless billions on fighting wars in other countries that will (inevitably, if history is to repeat itself for the hundredth or so time) turn on us as soon as the balance of power falls to them, maybe we could subsidize a practice that keeps people alive.

Silly notion, I know. Stop killing so many damn people who don't affect our 'Murican lives, and invest in keeping people alive without financially ruining them.

But of course this would mean allowing the Federal Guvment to take charge of this, so........ it will cost 900% more than it actually should. (Cuz regulations makes us safer! And we need an oversight committee to oversee the committee for oversight that is oversaw by the committee for overall oversightin')
I hear you and can only point to the benefit for the people who, when comparing like national medical delivery systems to other countries, will give your people something to compare and hold the controlers feet to the fire to match their pricing and services.

That is quite the plus to add to the savings that you will enjoy.

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Jebus wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:02 am
PsYcHo wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:11 amWhile I agree the subsidies should be removed (not just for ethical reasons, but politically fiscal ones as well), I don't think that would solve the healthcare budgetary issues.
Probably not, but it would go a long way.
I agree as it makes for a more transparent system.

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brimstoneSalad wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:49 am
Nationalize or don't nationalize. Single payer would be more convenient in some ways (and I support a public option for that reason), but it won't solve the problem (it will be a modest improvement). We need to look to the root of the issue.
Sniped for brevity but well put my friend.

You are correct in your views and single payer, which makes it easier to look at the roots of the issues as all the information gets centralized.

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Jebus wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:43 am That, or: remove subsidies on meat and dairy subsidies that will free up an estimated 38 billion USD. Less people will eat meat and dairy once it costs what it should cost. As a result fewer people will get sick and fewer doctors will be needed.
I agree, not to forget the huge ecological gains that getting away from beef would bring us.

If you have the time, watch Cowspiracy to see what kind of gains we would enjoy.

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Greatest I am wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:18 pm If you have the time, watch Cowspiracy to see what kind of gains we would enjoy.
Also check out Forks over Knives and Earthlings.

Not sure if he's heard of them.
Alcohol may have been a factor.

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PsYcHo wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:45 am
Greatest I am wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:18 pm If you have the time, watch Cowspiracy to see what kind of gains we would enjoy.
Also check out Forks over Knives and Earthlings.

Not sure if he's heard of them.
Thanks for this. I will check them out.

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