Teo, you need to stop repeating this claim, it's deceptive. Most people do not understand and define pain technically. It's uncontroversial that fish experience noxious stimuli such as itchiness, as well as negative psychological states like fear, etc. the question is that of what technically qualifies as "pain" proper.teo123 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:11 pmI think animals should not be given moral value unless they have been proven, beyond reasonable doubt, to feel pain. And it has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt that fish feel pain, as many, if not most of the, neuroscientists think they do not. And the situation is much worse for insects.HollyAli7 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:57 am What are peoples’ thoughts on being vegan and driving with respect to the wildlife/ bugs that it harms on the roads? I always find flies or worms that have been injured in the road and so move them out of the way. I am reluctant to start learning to drive because personally I highly value the life of bugs on equal par with mammals (I understand that others may not). I was just wondering what other people thought?
Pain in itself is morally irrelevant, there are humans who don't feel pain (and indeed used to be a forum member who claimed to have such condition). It's called congenital insensitivity to pain or congenital analgesia. Look it up.
This has been explained to you multiple times. At this point you're spamming.
If you have a problem with this and want to talk about it, start a relevant thread. You need to stop spamming it everywhere because claims like that are deceptive outside context.