Has your life had an overall positive impact on the world?

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Re: Has your life had an overall positive impact on the worl

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Maybe we could put things back on track, and maybe not. If we could, it would mean acting fast to save what we have. You underestimate the magnitude of FUBAR that the world economy collapsing would be.

If humanity could even survive such an event, in all likelihood the majority of humanity would be eating eggs and dairy very quickly (with a fair number hunting), and eating meat again within a couple generations and the whole thing would be a huge failure.
It would also have a good chance of setting us back a few hundred years technologically indefinitely. With the collapse of the global economy, that also means a collapse of the food supply and basic infrastructure.
We'd be able to scavenge for a little, but that wouldn't last more than a year or so. The few competent farmers would be able to subsist to a degree, but not break out of that cycle; those of us who would survive would probably do it by learning how to farm again, and returning to a medieval way of life.
Serious disease would come back due to the loss of health infrastructure, infant mortality would skyrocket.

One thing many people don't understand in these apocalypse scenarios is that we have already used up all of the Earth's easily accessible precious resources. When you hit the reset button, we're not just set back a couple hundred years, but advancing again becomes much more difficult the second time around after we've re-established the basic needs for life.
The only possible negative consequences that I am unsure about are the effects on the eco-systems due to the liberation of millions of captivated animals and the result of large land farm land areas not being taken care of.
I don't see that as an issue.
Global warming, nuclear devastation, and epidemic outbreaks are just a few of the very probable occurrences that might hinder any further development.
I also don't see these things as probably hindering further development in any significant way.
Global warming is a coastal and mainly developing world problem (as well as an environmental disaster, but that will be short lived and mainly result in human starvation in Africa and poorer parts of SE Asia). The first world will not have major issues with it (it's capable of relocating all of those people within its borders).
Nuclear devastation is unlikely. Missile defense is effective against primitive threats, and less primitive threats are more rational. There may be a nuclear war at some point by minor parties, but it shouldn't substantially affect Europe or the Americas.
Epidemics? Sure, but again, nothing the first world can't handle within their borders. Nothing like vanishing the vast majority of the world's population.

Things are going to get very, very bad for people living in third world, and some second world countries if climate change and population growth continue (and they probably will), but this won't necessarily hold up the next iPhone for Americans.
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You have described why you think things would get worse for humans, but do you also believe things would get worse for the other animals. I don't see how things could get worse than they are now.

I think the time the survivors could live off supermarket and wholesale canned food, would give them enough time to learn what they need to keep the existing crops growing. The ratio of doctors/nurses to newborn babies would probably be a bit higher than now so I don't see why healthcare would deteriorate.
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Jebus wrote:You have described why you think things would get worse for humans, but do you also believe things would get worse for the other animals. I don't see how things could get worse than they are now.
No, I don't think it would necessarily get worse for animals. It would probably stay the same for a while as the existing population fell, then would get slightly better, and then worse again to about what it is now. The problem is it wouldn't have the opportunity to get much better, as it will in the coming years with bioreacted meat, as climate change and population pressure force humans to change their habits.

It's a matter of opportunity cost.
It's an issue of holding out for a little while as infrastructure is developed and the pressure builds to force change.
Jebus wrote:I think the time the survivors could live off supermarket and wholesale canned food, would give them enough time to learn what they need to keep the existing crops growing.
Maybe. But a lot of that relies on existing infrastructure. Electricity, gas, etc. That stuff would collapse pretty quickly, and take a lot of know-how and manpower to get it back online.
Jebus wrote:The ratio of doctors/nurses to newborn babies would probably be a bit higher than now so I don't see why healthcare would deteriorate.
Healthcare isn't just about delivering babies. It relies on pharmaceutical manufacturing infrastructure. In terms of mending broken bones and delivering babies we'd be fine. But protecting from disease would be another matter.
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