Philosophical Vegan Forum

PrincessPeach wrote:

Dudugs wrote:Vegans objective is to try and convince other people to be vegans, to reduce animal suffering right? Because if you wanan convince someone, you need to respect their opinion and be friendly, instead of calling them murderous assholes and nihilists. That's just gonna make someone more hostile against you and more sure of his own beliefs.

Dudugs wrote:Mockery is never the best way.

Dudugs wrote: Peer presure won't make someone open minded.

Seems like every time you make a post you are expressing in your opinion on how 'vegans' should not express their own personalopinions.
Who is mocking, who is hostile and who are your peers pressuring you care about your health and the health of other animals?
Please, tell me why do you eat animals?

Seems like you have a lot of pre conceived ideas/ views on vegans, I am hear to tell you that you have an extremely bias point of view on vegans, you seem to forget that 'vegans' are not a people in a whole, each vegan is an individual, get it? We're not all the same, but it seems that your opinion on us is that we are 'all the same'.

What? In what of my posts did I say that this is how vegans should express their own opinions? I just said the best way to convince somone is to be nice not hostile. And this applies to everyone. And yes, some vegans are very extreme when fighting which is a extremely innefective way. And so are some meat-eaters. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Dudugs wrote: What? In what of my posts did I say that this is how vegans should express their own opinions? I just said the best way to convince somone is to be nice not hostile. And this applies to everyone. And yes, some vegans are very extreme when fighting which is a extremely innefective way. And so are some meat-eaters. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

In my opinion almost all of your posts!
I am sorry that you may have experienced a hostile encounter with a vegan but; for you to put forth the idea that all vegans are hostile and not nice actually is what you are linking to me, a strawman argument!

Please answer the question, why do you eat animals ?

Dudugs wrote:I'm gonna be honest, I didn't really understand what you are trying to say, can you please give me an example?

Sure. If you decide to mock me in front of others because I am speaking obvious nonsense, for instance, it may not do much to convince me personally, but it will get a lot of people watching the mockery to start thinking.

Mocking a third party to form a social or emotional bond with someone else is actually a very effective technique.

Humane Hominid wrote:

Dudugs wrote:I'm gonna be honest, I didn't really understand what you are trying to say, can you please give me an example?

Sure. If you decide to mock me in front of others because I am speaking obvious nonsense, for instance, it may not do much to convince me personally, but it will get a lot of people watching the mockery to start thinking.

Mocking a third party to form a social or emotional bond with someone else is actually a very effective technique.

Sure, but in that case the reason it is an effective technique is because of the number of people who disagree with him, not the mockery.

PrincessPeach wrote:

Dudugs wrote: What? In what of my posts did I say that this is how vegans should express their own opinions? I just said the best way to convince somone is to be nice not hostile. And this applies to everyone. And yes, some vegans are very extreme when fighting which is a extremely innefective way. And so are some meat-eaters. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

In my opinion almost all of your posts!
I am sorry that you may have experienced a hostile encounter with a vegan but; for you to put forth the idea that all vegans are hostile and not nice actually is what you are linking to me, a strawman argument!

Please answer the question, why do you eat animals ?

I never put forth the idea that all vegans are hostile and not nice.

Why do I eat animals?

They are a type II conscience, they lack rational thought and farming isn't that bad when you look trough their eyes. There are many ways to improve animals life's without dropping a diet with meat, because, guess what, vegan diets don't work for everyone. Because of that, I think it is justifiable. However, mindless animal cruelty is a bad thing that should be avoided.

Dudugs wrote:vegan diets don't work for everyone.

Wrong, it can work for everyone - it's the scientific consensus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

Dudugs wrote:They are a type II conscience,[...]

I give up. I'm done.
I tried, and I wasted my time.

It's impossible to change this guy's mind. Try as hard as you can.
You counter his point A with your point B, and he'll keep repeating his point A ad infinitum.
You can try to explain to him, like me and BrimstoneSalad did, but he apperently rejects all the informations.

Some people are so lazy and so selfish, they prefer to wallow in cognitive dissonance and come up with excuses with logical fallacies instead of going out of their ways to make positive change.

I'm not going to answer you, Dudugs, because I realise it's a waste of time. If you want, you can scroll up and go to the first pages to see why you're wrong.
Everything you keep saying to defend your position has already been debunked several times.

Dudugs wrote: I never put forth the idea that all vegans are hostile and not nice.

I guess you live your life in some sort of delusion because; yes you did & I already quoted you.

Dudugs wrote: Why do I eat animals?


They are a type II conscience, they lack rational thought and farming isn't that bad when you look trough their eyes. There are many ways to improve animals life's without dropping a diet with meat, because, guess what, vegan diets don't work for everyone. Because of that, I think it is justifiable. However, mindless animal cruelty is a bad thing that should be avoided.

My son has yet to develop conscious rational thought he is 18 months old, would you eat him?
Would you drink human breast milk if offered to you?
Have you ever raised an animal from birth for the soul purpose of killing it and killed that animal with your own hands and ate it's flesh?
How does a vegan diet not work for everyone?
Are you okay knowing that every time you eat meat dairy or eggs that you are clogging you arteries with animal cholesterol (dogs can digest animal cholesterol with it raising their own cholesterol)
You are increasing your risks for heart disease, cancer, and type 2 diabetes to name a few... It's like a heroin addict saying they like to shoot up because it feels good even though they know the associated risks...
Except it is kinda different with heroin in the fact that when a heroin addict is out of heroin their bodies actually get physically sick while, people that eat meat do not get sick with out having meat, they actually get sick from eating meat. You can not tell me truthfully that you shit three times a day and you can not tell me that at least 2 out the 5 times you shit it hurts real bad coming out of your ass.
It is dangerous and unhealthy you know the associated health risks yet you are still doing it, why?

You'll spend the rest of your life trying to morally justify your meat consumption, something that you can't morally justify!
You are paying other people to pre package and kill for you, your paying more than the money that comes out of your pocket, you are paying with your life too.

thebestofenergy wrote:

Dudugs wrote:vegan diets don't work for everyone.

Wrong, it can work for everyone - it's the scientific consensus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

Dudugs wrote:They are a type II conscience,[...]

I give up. I'm done.
I tried, and I wasted my time.

It's impossible to change this guy's mind. Try as hard as you can.
You counter his point A with your point B, and he'll keep repeating his point A ad infinitum.
You can try to explain to him, like me and BrimstoneSalad did, but he apperently rejects all the informations.

Some people are so lazy and so selfish, they prefer to wallow in cognitive dissonance and come up with excuses with logical fallacies instead of going out of their ways to make positive change.

I'm not going to answer you, Dudugs, because I realise it's a waste of time. If you want, you can scroll up and go to the first pages to see why you're wrong.
Everything you keep saying to defend your position has already been debunked several times.

I'm not wrong. It's an opinion. http://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/commen ... pe/ck61xdj

You think it's immoral, I don't.

PrincessPeach wrote:

Dudugs wrote: I never put forth the idea that all vegans are hostile and not nice.

I guess you live your life in some sort of delusion because; yes you did & I already quoted you.

Dudugs wrote: Why do I eat animals?


They are a type II conscience, they lack rational thought and farming isn't that bad when you look trough their eyes. There are many ways to improve animals life's without dropping a diet with meat, because, guess what, vegan diets don't work for everyone. Because of that, I think it is justifiable. However, mindless animal cruelty is a bad thing that should be avoided.

My son has yet to develop conscious rational thought he is 18 months old, would you eat him?
Would you drink human breast milk if offered to you?
Have you ever raised an animal from birth for the soul purpose of killing it and killed that animal with your own hands and ate it's flesh?
How does a vegan diet not work for everyone?
Are you okay knowing that every time you eat meat dairy or eggs that you are clogging you arteries with animal cholesterol (dogs can digest animal cholesterol with it raising their own cholesterol)
You are increasing your risks for heart disease, cancer, and type 2 diabetes to name a few... It's like a heroin addict saying they like to shoot up because it feels good even though they know the associated risks...
Except it is kinda different with heroin in the fact that when a heroin addict is out of heroin their bodies actually get physically sick while, people that eat meat do not get sick with out having meat, they actually get sick from eating meat. You can not tell me truthfully that you shit three times a day and you can not tell me that at least 2 out the 5 times you shit it hurts real bad coming out of your ass.
It is dangerous and unhealthy you know the associated health risks yet you are still doing it, why?

You'll spend the rest of your life trying to morally justify your meat consumption, something that you can't morally justify!
You are paying other people to pre package and kill for you, your paying more than the money that comes out of your pocket, you are paying with your life too.

I never said that.

I would not eat your son since he is a human being.

I would try human milk, actually, as long as the person whose milk was from as willingly giving it away.

Nope.

http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should- ... egan-diets

Every time I eat meat products I clog my arteries? Top fucking kek. Over-consumption =/= consumption.

Like I said before, over-consumption =/= consumption.

Eating meat is not dangerous and unhealthy. Going full vegan isn't the only way to be completely healthy.

And I can morally justify. It's you that can't morally justify. To me it's moral to eat meat. Done, I just morally justified it.

Dudugs wrote: I never said that.

I would not eat your son since he is a human being.

I would try human milk, actually, as long as the person whose milk was from as willingly giving it away.

Nope.

http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should- ... egan-diets

Every time I eat meat products I clog my arteries? Top fucking kek. Over-consumption =/= consumption.

Like I said before, over-consumption =/= consumption.

Eating meat is not dangerous and unhealthy. Going full vegan isn't the only way to be completely healthy.

And I can morally justify. It's you that can't morally justify. To me it's moral to eat meat. Done, I just morally justified it.

Wow, you really are just a waste of molecules!