The Tavern

[Cirion Spellbinder]

Is talking to adults who think I disagree with them solely because I want to disagree with them or think that I don't understand simply because I'm not an adult (and don't explain why I'm wrong) worth my time?

[brimstoneSalad]

Is talking to adults who think I disagree with them solely because I want to disagree with them or think that I don't understand simply because I'm not an adult (and don't explain why I'm wrong) worth my time?

Unlikely. Nor worth the frustration.

[EquALLity]

The vegan B&Js ice-cream is finally here!: http://www.benjerry.com/flavors/non-dairy/vegan-journey
One has palm oil though, so still check the ingredients.

Also, Ben and Jerry are Sanders supporters.

[PsYcHo]

Is talking to adults who think I disagree with them solely because I want to disagree with them or think that I don't understand simply because I'm not an adult (and don't explain why I'm wrong) worth my time?

You are not an adult? Based solely on your posts, I would disagree with you. I know several middle aged children.

Is it worth your time to disagree with them? That's for you to decide. Sometimes I choose to remain silent in the face of ignorance, simply because it would be arguing with a brick wall. Other times, knowing my argument will probably not sway the other person immediately, I still engage because perhaps it will make them think, or perhaps it will make ME think.

[Cirion Spellbinder]

I was watching some of Unnatural Vegan's videos and I found this comment. Unnatural Vegan suggested he eat oysters instead. Is this a viable option? Can people really be incapable of consuming cooked plants?
I vaguely recall asking this question in the past..?

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[Cirion Spellbinder]

Other times, knowing my argument will probably not sway the other person immediately, I still engage because perhaps it will make them think, or perhaps it will make ME think.

What qualities / variables indicate to you that the person will consider what you / I say?

[PsYcHo]

Other times, knowing my argument will probably not sway the other person immediately, I still engage because perhaps it will make them think, or perhaps it will make ME think.

What qualities / variables indicate to you that the person will consider what you / I say?

From my own experiences, years of dealing with people. (I spent a decade in a supervisory position, and still maintain a smaller "boss" position today)

{And just a quick response to your other post about people getting sick from vegetables, my partner's brother eats a very small variety of foods. I believe he may have Aspergers, because he is extremely intelligent, yet any change, dietary or otherwise, causes him severe distress. Even a dish as simple as mashed potatoes must be bland. No butter, no salt, no gravy, no skins. If it were not for his like of tomato juice, I believe he would have scurvy. I have yet in 11 years seen him eat anything green, other than pickles, which he consumes by the gallon jar in a day or two.}

Onto what qualities indicate a person will consider what I say, mainly context clues. Start small. Simply saying " I choose not to eat meat" will elicit a response. Maintain a neutral position until it seems like the person is genuinely interested. A lot of carnist have a negative attitude towards vegans, so the cards are already stacked against you. If they respond with anger, " Vegans are stupid 'cause....." disarm them by replying with "I understand why people eat/use animals, I just saw a video about animal slaughter that was really gross. A chicken with an abscess bigger than its body made me not want to eat meat." This allows you to maintain your position, without attacking theirs.

I have my own "controversial" lifestyle choices that make people judge me before they know me, and as a Vegan I'm sure you get similar levels of "shit" thrown at you. Pick your battles. This will take trial and error. If you err, admit it. If you are just but the neanderthal you are debating with chooses to "low blow", disengage. Not all battles can be won.

From reading your posts I visualized you as someone my age (pushing 40), so you are assuredly an intelligent person. Do not let the ignorance of others bring you down. Speak your mind, but be humble. Anger never wins in a debate. If you are met with ignorance or anger, re-evaluate.

You are too smart to not want to educate others. To quote a christian axiom "Pride goeth before a fall" . As long as you are not prideful (pompous) then you will gain support for your cause. (Patience)

[brimstoneSalad]

I was watching some of Unnatural Vegan's videos and I found this comment. Unnatural Vegan suggested he eat oysters instead. Is this a viable option?

Yes, if he thinks he can't eat plants.

Can people really be incapable of consuming cooked plants?
I vaguely recall asking this question in the past..?

No, but sometimes fiber may need to be limited in extreme and rare cases of intolerance. We'd probably be looking at more fungus, fermented foods, and vegetable juices. In most cases, changes just need to be made gradually to prevent digestive upset.

If he has a legitimate condition, he needs to be diagnosed by a doctor (a specialist in that condition, even), and see a registered dietitian. Otherwise, his claims are just an anecdote (and probably largely nocebo), or possibly just a lie. I've seen people lie outright about being having certain conditions that make them incapable of eating vegan -- they inevitably misidentify the condition (which does not work as they claim) and show incredible ignorance of it, giving away the lie.

General intolerance of all plant matter verges on mythological.

[Cirion Spellbinder]

I was on Reddit earlier and I encountered some former vegans. I don't really know how to adress this one's arguments because I'm mostly ignorant when it comes to health and nutrition. Would anyone mind helping? Sorry, and thanks.

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[brimstoneSalad]

I wouldn't spend too much time on people who self-diagnose with probably imaginary conditions.

There's no reason this person can't eat an eco-atkins diet, though. Even the Atkins site has an article on it:
https://www.atkins.com/how-it-works/library/articles/the-eco-atkins-diet

All of the benefits, and none of the risks.