Catch 22: You can get out of flight duty if you're crazy, but anybody who applies to be relieved of duty is showing a rational concern for personal safety, and is thus not crazy.
You're begging the question in your claims about depression. This is why I told you to keep an open mind: defining a person who is 'depressed' as inherently irrational is not open minded or rational. The ability of many people who are unhappy with their lives to use reason is clearly demonstrable.
(We're talking about subjective qualia here, not empirical data like effects on the environment. Apples and oranges. But factory farming is probably better for the environment than free range organic farming.)
You are saying you know their minds better than they do, but depression isn't always a delusion or chemical imbalance; a diagnosis can come from something as simple as being unhappy and just sincerely not wanting to live, with no shortage if information or rational thought.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYemnKEKx0c
You're doing what the psychiatrists are doing in his anecdote.
Psychiatry, unlike experimental psychology, is unfortunately a very soft science, and unfortunately too often based on bias and cherry picking rather than objective evidence. I'm not saying it's worthless, it's important to TRY medication if you are depressed so you know if it helps you and if you want to take it, but just because somebody is depressed does not mean he or she is incapable of rational thought and making decisions for his or herself.
We need to recognize and be open to the idea that some people do not have the same interest in living that we do, and wherever that comes from, we need to have
some respect that rather than trying to blindly impose our own over theirs.
It may be better in the end to inspire an interest in living in these people, but that's aside from the point that suicide can be rational.
A person who is unhappy with life, is aware of the options, understands that he or she isn't going to paradise, and prefers death (no experience) to the other alternatives can make a rational decision to end his or her life.
EquALLity wrote:
What good do you think is going to come out of this? Do you think you're going to convince T6M to be a good person by saying things like that? Aren't you trying to teach compassion? WTF?
What good? It's unlikely any good will ever come out of her.
She hasn't listened to people being nice. She hasn't even listened to the answer to her question here: she just declared it off topic and ran away rather than defend her claims.
She does not value truth, because she has no access to it -- she is not omniscient. Her theist friends are wrong about their theism, but they are right about her: She is a hypocrite, and fully irrational in her supposed "values", which are really just another dogma.
Will she consider a more assertive message? Probably not.
But she's being a little brat, and she needs to put up or shut up.
She's complaining about the world being so terrible that she doesn't want to be in it, but she's part of the problem. She can start being part of the solution, she can stop complaining, or there's an exit available she can take if she can't bother lifting a finger to improve things.
