Philosophical Vegan Forum

Labels are everywhere.

Little girl: "Christian cupcakes, anyone? I made them to praise the Lord with their fresh and fragrant smell, He who has blessed me with bakery talent."

Me: ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°) "Maybe my "Christian" trash can is hungry."

Ever heard of CEDM (Christian Electronic Dance Music)? Or Christian Black Metal (Unblack Metal)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DfIJcWckQ

Maybe vegans should make vegan music, with vegan band members, vegan instruments, and vegan lyrics.

Whereas a Christian pet owner, correction, a pet owner who is Christian, can label his/her kitten Christian (funny if the breed was persian), it is impractical to attach a vegan label as well. Cats are carnivores who need meat (taurine) to survive.

Church approved Christian blessed olive oils, Christian bath towels, Christian battery chargers (pray in proximity for faster charging I guess), Christian soap because God is concerned about your hygiene, and more. I bought a five-pack of Sportlife Deep Frozn Mint chewing gums the other day. As far as I know, all five packs are faithless, but I don't see the need to label them atheist chewing gums.

Vegan sausages and hamburgers? If that is to separate them from actual meat products, then it makes sense. But if vegans really don't eat meat, then why would they want to eat foods closely resembling meat?

I sometimes do my shopping at an Islamic supermarket, but I don't greet the storekeeper with "Allah is great". Speaking of stores and Islam:

http://rt.com/news/269020-muslim-grocer ... on-gender/

"'Murica is a Christian nation!"
I don't think so.

What's up with all this labeling? Which types of labeling do you think are justified, and which are not justified?

Labeling is justified when it's useful.

As you said, a lot of labels are just marketing. A "christian" rock band may have little to nothing to do with Christian, and its members may not even really be. It's just a way to sell music. They probably mention something related to Jesus at some point to pander to the market.

caLRo wrote:Cats are carnivores who need meat (taurine) to survive.

They need taurine, which can be synthetic. There are specially formulated vegan cat foods that have it added. Actually, non-vegan cat foods have it added to, because it tends to deteriorate during the meat processing IIRC.
Lots of stuff is added to both vegan and non-vegan formulated food. Mostly the same kind of stuff.

Anyway,

caLRo wrote:But if vegans really don't eat meat, then why would they want to eat foods closely resembling meat?

Vegans just don't want to harm animals. Very few people actually have anything against the look of meat products, as long as they're not harming anybody.

It's like sugar free candy. Sugar is unhealthy. Candy is yummy. If we have the technology, why not?

brimstoneSalad wrote:

caLRo wrote:But if vegans really don't eat meat, then why would they want to eat foods closely resembling meat?

Vegans just don't want to harm animals. Very few people actually have anything against the look of meat products, as long as they're not harming anybody.

It's like sugar free candy. Sugar is unhealthy. Candy is yummy. If we have the technology, why not?

So in these cases, labeling is not just useful, but also crucial. I honesty cannot taste the difference between Coca Cola regular, light, zero sugar, and life, but in terms of nutritional value it can make a huge difference. Still, it's not a big problem to me since I rarely drink sodas.

And of course, no vegan wants to eat vegan sausages, only to find out later that they weren't vegan.

I'm having a hard time interpreting (seemingly) ambiguous labeling. Take a Christian LAN (gaming) party for example. Does it mean only Christians are allowed to attend? Are they going to play only Christian games? Will there be gospels and prayers? The way I usually see it is that the religious aspect is only the theme of a party. It's like a party dress code, and doesn't actually require you to be Christian.

Usually when people add "Christian" to something, they're not doing it to be inclusive. So, usually interpret that as "fuck off if you don't believe in Jesus", particularly if it's any kind of social event.

On the other hand, you can go just to argue with people. It's almost a sure bet you'll get proselytized to.

As a vegan, I need to rely on the labelling of foods to make sure they are vegan. I double and tripple check the labels to make sure that what I will buy is vegan. There are also apps for that if not sure. When a product has been labelled vegan, it makes my life much more easy, as I don't have to go through all the ingredients.

As a metalhead I will say this about unblack metal. Although I love some of black metal, I don't care much about their lyrics, but they can be fun to mess with the christians or other religious groups (e.g. Impaled Nazarene or Rotting Christ )
The unblack metal or christian black metal to me would indicate that their music influences come from bands who are purely categorized as black metal, but their lyrics are all about the coming of christ, the battle of good and evil where the angels of our lord flying spaghetti monster, defeat the evil darth vader and his evil army of talking teddy bears.
White metal has been around for a long time, STRYPER ("Salvation Through Redemption, Yielding Peace, Encouragement and Righteousness" ) has been a huge name for the white metal scene, throwing bibles to the fans who were coming to their concerts.
The metal labelling I dont care that much for.

The food labelling, I care very much about and rely on it.

BTW, sausages look nothing like meat. Sausages look like a mixture of something put into form. Salami, also looks nothing like meat. Burgers also dont look like meat.
All the above are just commonly known to derive from meat, so we say it is meat, but they surely dont look like meat at all.
What looks like meat are chops/steaks, or poultry in the oven, fish when grilled etc...

brimstoneSalad wrote:Usually when people add "Christian" to something, they're not doing it to be inclusive. So, usually interpret that as "fuck off if you don't believe in Jesus", particularly if it's any kind of social event.

On the other hand, you can go just to argue with people. It's almost a sure bet you'll get proselytized to.

Is that something that you do for fun? . I must say I found this whole post of yours to be very funny and I actually laughed out loud. Thanks for the laugh.

Maybe not in somebody's house; that's uncomfortable, and the chances of being brutally murdered in Jesus' name rise drastically when you step through somebody's door where witnesses can't see you. But street preachers are fun.