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Im wondering why cant homosexuality be labeled as wrong and a bad and unhealthy sexual practice but remain accepted. I do not want my kids thinking gay is right and I am being a bad person for condemning same sex. I did not decide to have kids not to have grand kids. If you were born with reproductive issues I understand. But people need to stop saying that reproductive acts is the same sex is correct. That spreading a bad genocidal message.

Why do you think homosexuality is wrong? Why is it bad and unhealthy?

Granted, homosexual intercourse has a high chance of causing HIV, but that's what condoms are for. It's not like we live in a time where you either get it or not get it by taking a chance. Explain to us why it's wrong, as why exactly is causes genocide.

RedAppleGP wrote:Granted, homosexual intercourse has a high chance of causing HIV, but that's what condoms are for. It's not like we live in a time where you either get it or not get it by taking a chance. Explain to us why it's wrong, as why exactly is causes genocide.

By homosexual intercourse I presume you mean anal sex. Gays having sex is not equal to butt sex. There are a plethora of different homoerotic sexual practices such as oral sex, frottage, mutual masturbation, intercrural penetration, docking, etc.

Plus, like you said, anal sex is only really dangerous when engaging in unprotected ("bareback") sex, but so is any unprotected sex involving orifice penetration with diseased people.

Correct me if both of these deductions are wrong jimgees, but by a genocidal message do you mean homosexual behavior promotes genocide or that since gay sex cannot yield babies via reproduction, the practice is genocidal because it doesn't produce babies?

Edit: Wait... I thought about it a bit more, but do you mean that it promotes sperm genocide? That's the closest thing to genocide I can come up with that's caused more so by gay sex than vaginal sex with a man and woman.

Cirion Spellbinder wrote: By homosexual intercourse I presume you mean anal sex. Gays having sex is not equal to butt sex. There are a plethora of different homoerotic sexual practices such as oral sex, frottage, mutual masturbation, intercrural penetration, docking, etc.

Plus, like you said, anal sex is only really dangerous when engaging in unprotected ("bareback") sex, but so is any unprotected sex involving orifice penetration with diseased people.

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jimgees wrote:Im wondering why cant homosexuality be labeled as wrong and a bad and unhealthy sexual practice but remain accepted. I do not want my kids thinking gay is right and I am being a bad person for condemning same sex. I did not decide to have kids not to have grand kids. If you were born with reproductive issues I understand. But people need to stop saying that reproductive acts is the same sex is correct. That spreading a bad genocidal message.

There are a lot of biological bases for sexual orientation and gender identity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology ... rientation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurosc ... rientation

Forcing people to a particular orientation or being intolerant of/discouraging certain sexualorientation/gender identites has very drastic effects on such individuals. Homophobia is very unhealthy for others.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/1 ... verride=in
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide ... LGBT_youth

If your issue here is having grandkids, many queer couples etc do so through surrogacy, sperm donors, adoption etc. However whether or not someone wants to have kids is entirely up to them. No one should put additional pressure on someone for kids if they themselves don't want it. If your kids don't want to have kids themselves, they do not owe it to YOU to have kids simply because you are their parent and want grandkids. in the same way they don't owe it to you to choose your choice of career, spouse, etc. how to lead one's life is up to them; they are not objects or machines for the purpose of producing grandkids.

There's nothing inherently immoral about "reproductive acts" between consenting adults, since it harms noone.

jimgees wrote:Im wondering why cant homosexuality be labeled as wrong and a bad and unhealthy sexual practice but remain accepted. I do not want my kids thinking gay is right and I am being a bad person for condemning same sex. I did not decide to have kids not to have grand kids. If you were born with reproductive issues I understand. But people need to stop saying that reproductive acts is the same sex is correct. That spreading a bad genocidal message.

1. Prove its unhealthy.
2. Prove its morally wrong without using the bible or Quran or any religious references.
3. If making children is your only Criteria for it being wrong, what about people who are born with the inability to have children, or have a disease or infection or injurty that takes that ability away from them.
4. What if a person has no interest in having sex, or making relationships with people, grows old and dies without making children, going on a date or anything, how is that person any different then a homosexual?
5. How is a VAST MINIORITY of the human species whom are being born gay....and yes Sexual orientation is an inborn nature, have anything to do with the majority and genocide?

https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_and_rebecca_newberger_goldstein_the_long_reach_of_reason?language=en
At about 13 mimutes

Shadow Fox wrote:Sexual orientation is an inborn nature

I understand that this is the majority view of human sexuality, but is this substantiated by any scientific data or discoveries? Can you cite them?

I recall being sexually attracted to women in middle school and am currently exclusively attracted to men. (I am a man)

Edit: it might have been a horomonal thing. I recall being sexually interested in dudes before puberty.