Like the title says I'm probably fixing to screw up pretty badly, but I am not a vegan though I do tend to lean that way. Cynic by nature, skeptical in thought.
Not much to be said about me just doing my best to get along in the world and do the least harm. I however can not, do work not involving animals as cooking was the trade I picked for myself.
Glad to finally be among the ranks of the atheistic.
Hi, hello. . . I'm probably doing this wrong
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Bobert24
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knot
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Re: Hi, hello. . . I'm probably doing this wrong
Welcome!
It doesn't seem like there are a lot of jobs for vegan chefs at the moment, but I think that's where the industry is heading. The vegan movement has really started to snowball the last few yearsNot much to be said about me just doing my best to get along in the world and do the least harm. I however can not, do work not involving animals as cooking was the trade I picked for myself.
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Lightningman_42
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Re: Hi, hello. . . I'm probably doing this wrong
Hi Bobert24, welcome to the forum. I hope you like it here. Glad to hear that you are leaning towards veganism; and that you view veganism as a matter of making your best effort to reduce and minimize harm towards animals, rather than living a perfect lifestyle that causes zero harm.
This latter description (perfect lifestyle) is an unrealistic ideal, but I think it's good to progress towards that ideal (even if we cannot fully reach it), rather than having an all-or-nothing attitude. I daresay that most vegans on this forum are rational consequentialists, who will insist that less harm is better than more harm, but not that you should immediately attain a perfect lifestyle.
I think that many people who are new to veganism don't quite understand what it is, although it seems like you do. They often view it as the latter (an unrealistically perfect lifestyle), then claim that it's an "all-or-nothing" matter, and since they can't be perfect, they might as well not even bother. If you have some constraints that make it legitimately difficult to stop participating in harmful usage of animals, then we'll be understanding and try to offer realistic advice, if you want it and we're capable of providing it.
With that said, I have some questions:
-How long have you been inclined towards becoming relatively more vegan?
-Would you like to avoid personally consuming/using any food & clothing (except for maybe negligable quantities) derived from animals? (Even though you might not necessarily be able to do the same with your profession as a chef.)
-How long have you been an atheist? If you were at some point a theist, how did you become an atheist? If however you've always been an atheist, why don't you believe in or worship any God(s)?
This latter description (perfect lifestyle) is an unrealistic ideal, but I think it's good to progress towards that ideal (even if we cannot fully reach it), rather than having an all-or-nothing attitude. I daresay that most vegans on this forum are rational consequentialists, who will insist that less harm is better than more harm, but not that you should immediately attain a perfect lifestyle.
I think that many people who are new to veganism don't quite understand what it is, although it seems like you do. They often view it as the latter (an unrealistically perfect lifestyle), then claim that it's an "all-or-nothing" matter, and since they can't be perfect, they might as well not even bother. If you have some constraints that make it legitimately difficult to stop participating in harmful usage of animals, then we'll be understanding and try to offer realistic advice, if you want it and we're capable of providing it.
With that said, I have some questions:
-How long have you been inclined towards becoming relatively more vegan?
-Would you like to avoid personally consuming/using any food & clothing (except for maybe negligable quantities) derived from animals? (Even though you might not necessarily be able to do the same with your profession as a chef.)
-How long have you been an atheist? If you were at some point a theist, how did you become an atheist? If however you've always been an atheist, why don't you believe in or worship any God(s)?
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil but because of those who look on and do nothing."
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Bobert24
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Re: Hi, hello. . . I'm probably doing this wrong
How long have I been inclined towards being more vegan little over a decade. Was a point I went vegetarian for a while never did feel to well during that phase. (but I never did use supplements).
I can do my best in regards to consuming and using animal products personally. With where I am now it's impossible to avoid it completely as I currently live with people that are omnivore's to a certain extent. I'd just need to go through my nutrition book again and find the right pairings of items that make whole proteins and supplement the ones I couldn't get naturally without meat.
How long have I been an atheist, it's pushing little more than two years now. I deconverted when I finally turned the light of scrutiny onto me and my beliefs and decided that, A : I didn't choose this I was raise this way, and B I needed to choose what I believe. The how long question is also augmented by the fact that for years I was a cultural Christian. Going to church simply because that was the one thing to do on Saturdays. What caused my deconversion, or should I say who which just as equally as long as the list of what. Thunderf00t, Mrrepzion, The Thinking Atheist, and several others.
I can do my best in regards to consuming and using animal products personally. With where I am now it's impossible to avoid it completely as I currently live with people that are omnivore's to a certain extent. I'd just need to go through my nutrition book again and find the right pairings of items that make whole proteins and supplement the ones I couldn't get naturally without meat.
How long have I been an atheist, it's pushing little more than two years now. I deconverted when I finally turned the light of scrutiny onto me and my beliefs and decided that, A : I didn't choose this I was raise this way, and B I needed to choose what I believe. The how long question is also augmented by the fact that for years I was a cultural Christian. Going to church simply because that was the one thing to do on Saturdays. What caused my deconversion, or should I say who which just as equally as long as the list of what. Thunderf00t, Mrrepzion, The Thinking Atheist, and several others.