New Co-Ed Restroom law in California

[_Doc]

Have you heard about California's new law that makes all public school's bathrooms co-ed. Including Elementary schools. Now this is amazing for those who view them self's as the opposite gender but, I do not feel that Elementary students would really understand it completely. At the very least they should have only High Schools Co-Ed restrooms. For, they most likely are all ready or starting to ask questions about who they really are. But, this is just my option I would love to hear everyone's feelings behind this new law.

[brimstoneSalad]

Actually, I would say they should start with elementary students, and work up to high schools. A sudden change for the students already in high school may cause more disruption. There's nothing inherently problematic about coed restrooms, but their sudden implementation might be.

[_Doc]

Actually, I would say they should start with elementary students, and work up to high schools. A sudden change for the students already in high school may cause more disruption. There's nothing inherently problematic about coed restrooms, but their sudden implementation might be.

That makes sense if they start at a young age they will become less aggressive to "get their privacy removed" by having to share a restroom with the other gender. I guess I was just thinking of them being at a young age all ready asking "what is that between your legs?!?". But, it is not like a brother and sister grow apart if they take a bath with each other as kids and see it.

[gab236]

I guess I was just thinking of them being at a young age all ready asking "what is that between your legs?!?". But, it is not like a brother and sister grow apart if they take a bath with each other as kids and see it.

Well it's not like the restrooms will not have stalls or that kid going to the toilet show their genitals to each other. The separation of men and women is more cultural than anything else.

[atheistarfroot]

The separation of men and women is more cultural than anything else.

I would disagree with this when it comes to the physical separation between men and women.

I'm going to get a LOT of hate for my opinion here but thats okay. Although I feel the trans community deserves fair treatment and acceptance, I disagree that women's spaces should be invaded. Physical sex (not gender) shouldn't be completely ignored and in some cases there are reasons for a separation between men and women.

At an elementary level, I don't think its a big deal. However at a middle or high school level, I don't think girls would be comfortable at all in co-ed or unisex restrooms.

I take issue with the trans community imposing themselves into females and gay issues (specifically transwomen). When offered their own (individual, one-person) restrooms they often proclaim they don't want that, they want to be allowed in a females restroom. Its not enough to have their own space: they want women's spaces. The same is happening with women's shelters (where women are running from domestic violence and men are not allowed in), and rape crisis centers that cater to females.

A restroom is often a safe place for a female: to deal with periods, to talk with friends (especially in middle/high school), even to cry.

Dresses, makeup, and a female 'appearance' or voice or body language is not what makes a woman. Neither do boob jobs or hair extensions. There is no 'special woman feeling' or 'special man feeling' that suddenly makes you a man or a woman. If we just let people who say they 'feel' like a woman into all women's space, then pretty much anybody would be able to walk into a women's restroom and get away with all kinds of crap: peeping toms, exposing themselves to women, sexual assault, etc.

Despite what people think there have been instances of men and transmen following women into womens restrooms. The trans community is relatively small so I can't claim the numbers are high overall, but even one instance of a female in her restroom feeling uncomfortable or invaded is a problem to me. I value that woman's safety over the 'good feels' of a transperson in a restroom.

[_Doc]

I would disagree with this when it comes to the physical separation between men and women.

Well looking into history woman used to show their breasts without being looked at with eyes of disgust or lust. Gender segregation of restrooms became the law in the U.S. in the 19th Century. Also, In Europe they have co-ed restrooms and even saunas.

At an elementary level, I don't think its a big deal. However at a middle or high school level, I don't think girls would be comfortable at all in co-ed or unisex restrooms.

Well if we start at Elementary and allow them to become used to it then they wont be feeling uncomfortable as they get older. If anything they will become even more excepting. Sure if right this second they say, "Ladies and gents you have to share your toilets", then there would be a lot of complaints. Some excepting others not. But, starting out as children they will learn not to judge or invade in person space.

If we just let people who say they 'feel' like a woman into all women's space, then pretty much anybody would be able to walk into a women's restroom and get away with all kinds of crap: peeping toms, exposing themselves to women, sexual assault, etc.

Well what is stopping kids or teens or even adults from doing it with a standard restroom setup? A label on the door? Its not like that as soon as we let men and woman into the same restroom we will remove laws of not letting people do all that "crap". That is something that is impossible to truly stop unless you have a stand by guard in every restroom. Also, men or woman who feel like the opposite gender they have to go threw a lot in order to get a sex change. It is not like they can walk in and make an appointment to get their genital changed.

[EquALLity]

I take issue with the trans community imposing themselves into females and gay issues (specifically transwomen). When offered their own (individual, one-person) restrooms they often proclaim they don't want that, they want to be allowed in a females restroom. Its not enough to have their own space: they want women's spaces.

Imposing themselves into female and gay issues? What do these laws have to do with gay people?

What do you mean, it's not enough to have 'their own' space? As if it would be generous to give them 'their own' space?
The reason why they don't want what you're talking about is because putting them in those spaces and preventing them from entering womens' bathrooms makes it seem like they are less of women than female women. It further separates them from their identities, and promotes the idea that they are not 'real women' in society.

Transwomen are women. They're not getting special rights by being able to go in womens' bathrooms.

A restroom is often a safe place for a female: to deal with periods, to talk with friends (especially in middle/high school), even to cry.

To deal with periods, to talk with friends, and to cry?
How are transwomen being in those bathrooms preventing cis-women from doing those things? What?

Dresses, makeup, and a female 'appearance' or voice or body language is not what makes a woman. Neither do boob jobs or hair extensions. There is no 'special woman feeling' or 'special man feeling' that suddenly makes you a man or a woman. If we just let people who say they 'feel' like a woman into all women's space, then pretty much anybody would be able to walk into a women's restroom and get away with all kinds of crap: peeping toms, exposing themselves to women, sexual assault, etc.

There is a difference between gender and sex. Gender is how you identify, because it's a state of mind, while sex is your biology.
Just because you are born with a penis doesn't mean that you are a man.

And like doc was talking about... You think that people would go through the trouble (time, money, marginalization) to pretend to be transgender to enter the bathroom of the gender they identify with? Come on.

Despite what people think there have been instances of men and transmen following women into womens restrooms. The trans community is relatively small so I can't claim the numbers are high overall, but even one instance of a female in her restroom feeling uncomfortable or invaded is a problem to me. I value that woman's safety over the 'good feels' of a transperson in a restroom.

Men, maybe, but that doesn't have anything to do with transwomen.
Transmen are people who are females but who identify as men... So I think you mean transwomen following women into womens' restrooms?
What do you mean by 'following them in'? And do you have sources?

One female just feeling uncomfortable about it is a reason for you to support stopping a group of people from having equal rights?
You talk about 'good feels', as if it's a trivial issue that transwomen are marginalized... But it's not a trivial issue if one person feels slightly uncomfortable about something, reasonably or unreasonably, once?

[ThatNerdyScienceGirl]

At an elementary level, I don't think its a big deal. However at a middle or high school level, I don't think girls would be comfortable at all in co-ed or unisex restrooms.

Whites weren't comfortable in integrated bathrooms. Comfort means nothing.

I take issue with the trans community imposing themselves into females and gay issues (specifically transwomen). When offered their own (individual, one-person) restrooms they often proclaim they don't want that, they want to be allowed in a females restroom. Its not enough to have their own space: they want women's spaces. The same is happening with women's shelters (where women are running from domestic violence and men are not allowed in), and rape crisis centers that cater to females.

Because I am a woman and there is no reason why I should not go into the bathroom to pee. As a woman, women's spaces ARE my spaces. Which goes to show that transpeople don't want to be seen as different, they want to be seen as equal to. A transwoman who is raped is a female rape victims, regardless of what you think about that. Although I personally don't think men should be denied access to rape shelters either.

A restroom is often a safe place for a female: to deal with periods, to talk with friends (especially in middle/high school), even to cry.

Something they can still do when blacks, I mean men, are allowed in the bathroom. I have never seen the student body have a legit issue with trans women using the bathroom. I am trans, and I have many women, coworkers, etc, who are entirely comfortable talking about their periods with me, etc. This isn't an issue.

Dresses, makeup, and a female 'appearance' or voice or body language is not what makes a woman. Neither do boob jobs or hair extensions. There is no 'special woman feeling' or 'special man feeling' that suddenly makes you a man or a woman. If we just let people who say they 'feel' like a woman into all women's space, then pretty much anybody would be able to walk into a women's restroom and get away with all kinds of crap: peeping toms, exposing themselves to women, sexual assault, etc.

Actually, psychology says there IS an inherit psychological identification with either males or females. And most trans women don't wear lots of dresses, or makeup, etc. And the fact that you think a man going into the women's bathroom would result in rape and peeping toms, just tells me how you feel about the male population and nothing more. Transwomen have been able to use women's bathrooms since forever, and how many of the transwomen who go into female locker rooms or female bathrooms get convicted or imprisoned for rape, sexual assault, or public indecency? None? Thought so.

The whole "Transwomen are a danger to women" retarded bullshit is as stupid as saying that Lesbians are a danger to women. Most transwomen are attracted to men, but butch lesbians are more capable of forcing themselves on a woman, and have much more ample opportunity. Ban lesbians from the women's bathroom now? Ban gay men from the men's bathroom for fear of man-on-man rape? No? Why not? If we are banning transwomen, why not ban lesbians and gays?

Despite what people think there have been instances of men and transmen following women into womens restrooms. The trans community is relatively small so I can't claim the numbers are high overall, but even one instance of a female in her restroom feeling uncomfortable or invaded is a problem to me. I value that woman's safety over the 'good feels' of a transperson in a restroom.

"Even one instance of a white woman in the restroom feeling uncomfortable or invaded when a negro women enters the bathroom is a problem for me. I value the white's safety over the 'good feels' of a negro in a restroom"

We already had this debate, and you lost.