In the youtube comment section, discussed with an Idealist about reality being just another dream because that everything that i (we) see is mental. That god is the "larger mind", and we are just different perspectives, like how we can be different people in dreams.
While i agree to an extent; that our senses gather information and our brain consolidates those into a coherent form of reality, based on our current understanding of Neurology -- so reality before us are just mental. While everything is mental as he said - with what i think an equivocation to dream, i do believe that may allow solipsism because if this is all a dream then it's hard to tell whether to say if this is just me dreaming or having a delusion, whether i am the larger mind or Atheist Lee, after all "this is all mental". How can we tell if i am not the larger mind, that if atheist lee isn't the larger mind? How can we confirm this larger mind?Trevor Martin wrote:Let's watch atheism implode. Premise 1. The mind exists. You cannot say this is not true, because you would need a mind to say so.
Premise 2. Substance dualism is false. Clearly substance dualism cannot be true, because in order for mind and non-mind to interact, they must do so via a shared property, and that would mean that mind has a non-mental property, or non-mind has a mental property. Ok, you probably agree with those two statements on your first time reading it. Here's where things get controversial.
Premise 3. Mind does not reduce in any way, as a property, substance, process, or any such thing to non-mind. This you may try your best to deny, but the fact that you cannot break your own experience down intentionally from your conscious end into particles, action potentials, or properties of something else means that your mind exists as its own fundamental substance, as your experience in and of itself is not any of those things. The color red, for instance, as you experience it, is neither electromagnetic waves, nor cone cells on your eye, nor electrochemical signals flashing through your brain. It is something different that is personal to your own experience, and all the above are mere correlates via your interface.
Thus your mind exists as a fundamental substance, and mind as a whole is a fundamental substance. Because dualism is false, everything that appears to be non-mental must also actually be mental, which means that everything that exists is made of mind.
However, if all is mind, then all belongs to one mind. That mind has no external interactions and can choose to think anything by nature of being a mind, and is thus omnipotent. Thus you have a mind that is omniscient (because everything is in it and anything in a mind is known by that mind), omnipresent (because everything is part of it) and omnipotent. There you go - there's God. If you've made it that far, it's time to call a spade a spade.
Ultimately, i don't think it could be resolved because it's unfalsifiable and it ended there. Or at least should have.
Another guy jumped in and nitpicks my responses, hounding me for those. And we come across this stumbling block -- that as an atheist i do not hold a belief about the universe. To which he said that it's an impossibility.
His first question was: "why choose to view the universe in one particular fixed way and refuse to take on other conceptions of it?" As i understand it, he holds me to be rigid and holding a specific belief of the universe. I simply take it (the universe as a whole) as it is, and not make assumptions.
My Response: "Atheism is lack of belief. I don't have a belief about the universe out of my atheism." I simply don't make a belief about it, in a sense how religious people hold belief about it using their religion, their theology.
His response: "atheism when poised this way makes no sense at all. it becomes a dead statement that has had all of the poignant language stripped from it over decades of debates of atheists being backed into corners by the inability for them to fend their own quarters." - Starting to sound like he's Sye Ten Bruggencate here.
His Response: "this is impossibility. you're here in it; you can not walk inside it with."
So am i wrong? As an atheist, i do not hold a belief about the universe -- in the sense that a theist has a positive belief about the universe.
