Philosophical Vegan Forum

Usually in debates regarding veganism and non-veganism the same arguments are often used in different ways of rhetoric. So i wanted to make a database of arguments commonly used in favor of veganism and ones in favor of carnism aswell as their rebuttals.

Now this is not a complete list. So if you have any arguments in favor of veganism/carnism or rebuttals against these arguments for veganism/carnism feel free to post them.

Arguments for Veganism:

- Argument from Welfare ethics (Consequentialism)
http://www.animalethics.org.uk/consequentialism.html

- Argument from Virtue ethics
http://www.animalethics.org.uk/virtue-ethics.html

- Argument from Rights ethics (Deontology)
http://www.animalethics.org.uk/deontology.html

- Argument from marginal cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_f ... inal_cases

- The Environmental argument
https://woods.stanford.edu/environmenta ... nvironment

- The hunger argument
http://www.vegandoit.com/the-hunger-arg ... vegan-diet

- The antibiotic argument
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17600481

- The health argument
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resou ... ancer-risk
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/new- ... 1304176083



Arguments for Carnism:

- Argument from nutrition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat#Nutri ... nformation

- The natural argument
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~powlesla/per ... s/meat.txt

- Argument from plant rights (Reductio ad absurdum)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/scien ... wanted=all

- Argument from moral duties
http://www.iep.utm.edu/anim-eth/#SH2b

- Argument from self-conciousness
http://www.examiner.com/article/immanue ... mal-rights



Rebuttals to arguments for carnism:

- Against argument from nutrition
http://gentleworld.org/vegan-sources-of ... -minerals/

- Against the natural argument
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

- Against the argument of plant rights
Fein, Alan (2012). Nociceptors and the Perception of Pain. University of Connecticut: Health Center.

- Against argument from moral duties/self-conciousness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_f ... inal_cases

Great post!

Marginal cases is an argument against the fallacy of speciesism- it might be useful to clarify this.

In addition to the antibiotic argument, there's also an argument from zoophagic viruses. Large non-human animal populations in contact with each other and with humans provide a vast evolutionary festival for viruses. The next pandemic will probably arise from animal agriculture.

Viruses that can affect plants and humans, on the other hand, are about as elusive as Bigfoot- technically possible, but it's not clear that they've ever been observed.

One can't help but think this list was put together with a bias. A fair list would have rebuttals for both sides of the debate. However finding thems the hard part.

bobo0100 wrote:One can't help but think this list was put together with a bias. A fair list would have rebuttals for both sides of the debate. However finding thems the hard part.

I haven't really heard any proper rebuttals to those arguments. But that's why i welcome people to give additional arguments/rebuttals for both sides.

Are you going to edit the original post to add new things?