Philosophical Vegan Forum

A thought…
God created all things good, but… you have to remember, she also created all things bad. You can’t know one thing without the other. You cannot experience good without bad.

I've also said this before, there IS NO HELL, NO SATAN. This is a myth created to put fear into people, keep them in line. Sin is a myth. God does not care what you do. He will not judge you either, nor will he.
Her love is ETERNAL and UNCONDITIONAL. If sin was real, then free will is false. If God did not want science, there wouldn't be any science. Temptation is a stupid concept. This would be the same as telling your kids there is ice-cream in the freezer… have all you want, but if you do, I will punish you! This is a hard concept for people to understand. The bible is a very long and drawn-out translation error. Basically just go out and do what you want, you know what is right and what is wrong, you know what you want to do, you know how you want to do it. Think for yourself, don’t let some book or someone reading a book decide for you. I know this to be true. How? God told me so. He talks to EVERYONE. You just cannot seem to listen, or think for yourself. You have to get someone to tell you what is right or wrong. Experience this reality HOW YOU WANT. God does not care how you live your life. I don’t care how you live your life. Once my children move out, I don’t care how they live. It is their life, not mine. I’ll be happy for them no matter what they do. Yes NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO! If you want to continue reading a bible and believing everything in it, do so. If you want to not believe there is a god, do so. If you want to worship some imaginary devil, go for it. I mean really this isn't a hard concept to understand. Nobody really cares what you believe; they just want to be right. Just do what you want!
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How have you determined that a god exists at all? You seem to be ahead of yourself claiming that a god created the good and the bad. I don't accept that initial assumption.

Much of what all religions teach is myth created to control their followers.

Hey, you should make an introduction.

God created all things good, but… you have to remember, she also created all things bad.

Like TVA said, how do you know this? How do you know a god exists?

You can’t know one thing without the other.

How did you determine this?

I've also said this before, there IS NO HELL, NO SATAN. This is a myth created to put fear into people, keep them in line. Sin is a myth. God does not care what you do. He will not judge you either, nor will he.

How do you know this? Why do you believe in some aspects of the religion but not these specific parts? Why do you believe in a god at all?

Her love is ETERNAL and UNCONDITIONAL.

How do you know?

If God did not want science, there wouldn't be any science.

If only things God wants to exist exist, why do evil things exist?

I know this to be true. How? God told me so. He talks to EVERYONE.

People from all different religions say that. People say they've had "personal experience" with all kinds of supernatural things.

Just do what you want!

So, if I want to go shoot up some people, I should just do that?
How about do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else?

EquALLity wrote:Hey, you should make an introduction.

I am Jason, I am from Canada.

God created all things good, but… you have to remember, she also created all things bad.

Like TVA said, how do you know this? How do you know a god exists?

I cannot explain feelings; it is just something I feel/know is true. I know this is not a definitive answer, I really doubt I’ll ever have one good enough to convince anyone.

You can’t know one thing without the other.

How did you determine this?

To me, this is just common sense. How would you know what one thing is if you did not know the opposite?

I've also said this before, there IS NO HELL, NO SATAN. This is a myth created to put fear into people, keep them in line. Sin is a myth. God does not care what you do. He will not judge you either, nor will he.

How do you know this? Why do you believe in some aspects of the religion but not these specific parts? Why do you believe in a god at all?

Free will, as I said. With limitations there is no free will.I never said I believe anything in any religion. Maybe some of the things I feel are in some of the books I have not read yet. When I get time, I’ll read them.

Her love is ETERNAL and UNCONDITIONAL.

How do you know?

See above.

If God did not want science, there wouldn't be any science.

If only things God wants to exist exist, why do evil things exist?

Again, you cannot experience something without a reference to the opposite.

I know this to be true. How? God told me so. He talks to EVERYONE.

People from all different religions say that. People say they've had "personal experience" with all kinds of supernatural things.

People from all religions and non-religions say these things, quite possible they may be on to something? Maybe they are full of crap. Maybe some are listening and some are not ready. Everyone will hear eventually, maybe not in this or the next 50 lifetimes, but eventually.

Just do what you want!

So, if I want to go shoot up some people, I should just do that?

Only if that is what you want to experience in your current reality. You will not be judged. Of course, you will be judged by humans. Who knows, you may want to experience that as well. I personally don’t suggest you do it. You are your own person.

How about do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else?

Do what you want.

To me, this is just common sense. How would you know what one thing is if you did not know the opposite?

So if you had a lollipop, you wouldn't be able to understand it was sweet unless you tasted something bitter first?

Free will, as I said. With limitations there is no free will.I never said I believe anything in any religion.

Why do you believe in free will? Religion, no?

People from all religions and non-religions say these things, quite possible they may be on to something?

Not really, because they all believe in different gods.

Everyone will hear eventually, maybe not in this or the next 50 lifetimes, but eventually.

Why do you think there are more lifetimes?

Only if that is what you want to experience in your current reality. You will not be judged. Of course, you will be judged by humans. Who knows, you may want to experience that as well. I personally don’t suggest you do it. You are your own person.

No, because then I would be compromising the free will of others to be alive, no?

I cannot explain feelings; it is just something I feel/know is true. I know this is not a definitive answer, I really doubt I’ll ever have one good enough to convince anyone.

Could you be wrong? Are all people who hold strong feelings always right? If not, then how does one determine if feelings are true? Should you not determine right from wrong based upon testable evidence? Is a feeling testable?

I suspect you want there to be a god, so the feeling of a god existing "feels right".

EquALLity wrote:

To me, this is just common sense. How would you know what one thing is if you did not know the opposite?

So if you had a lollipop, you wouldn't be able to understand it was sweet unless you tasted something bitter first?

Correct, what would you compare it with? How would really know what it was if you couldn't compare?

Free will, as I said. With limitations there is no free will.I never said I believe anything in any religion.

Why do you believe in free will? Religion, no?

Because I am allowed to do anything I wish. I am not limited by anything. If I wanted to go out and do evil, I can. Yes I'll face the consequences here in the physical realm, but that is it. I'm not even limited to the physical realm. (I mean astral).
I am not limited by fear of death. I know I'll be dead someday. So that is my meaning of Free Will.

People from all religions and non-religions say these things, quite possible they may be on to something?

Not really, because they all believe in different gods.

I meant Buddha, Jesus, Krishna, and other masters.

Everyone will hear eventually, maybe not in this or the next 50 lifetimes, but eventually.

Why do you think there are more lifetimes?

I've experienced them, I remember parts of them.

Only if that is what you want to experience in your current reality. You will not be judged. Of course, you will be judged by humans. Who knows, you may want to experience that as well. I personally don’t suggest you do it. You are your own person.

No, because then I would be compromising the free will of others to be alive, no?

No, you cannot stop the Free Will of the soul.

TheVeganAtheist wrote:

I cannot explain feelings; it is just something I feel/know is true. I know this is not a definitive answer, I really doubt I’ll ever have one good enough to convince anyone.

Could you be wrong? Are all people who hold strong feelings always right? If not, then how does one determine if feelings are true? Should you not determine right from wrong based upon testable evidence? Is a feeling testable?

Again, it is my feeling; I don't expect you or anyone else to feel the same way I do. You rely on physical proof. I have experienced things that cannot be explained, I have felt this way since my first visit to church and the first time I heard about hell. I never believed such a place existed, and I have never needed to go back to church. I don't need someone telling me their way of believing.

I suspect you want there to be a god, so the feeling of a god existing "feels right".

I feel it in my heart, I guess the same way you feel Vegan is the right path for you. You just know it is right.

Correct, what would you compare it with? How would really know what it was if you couldn't compare?

You don't need to compare it with anything.
So you're telling me that if you never ate anything, you wouldn't feel hungry because you'd never felt full?

Because I am allowed to do anything I wish. I am not limited by anything. If I wanted to go out and do evil, I can. Yes I'll face the consequences here in the physical realm, but that is it. I'm not even limited to the physical realm. (I mean astral).

The 'astral realm'? What?

I meant Buddha, Jesus, Krishna, and other masters.

It's not like the three are interchangeable. And in addition, even within these religions, people disagree about the right things according to their religion.

I've experienced them, I remember parts of them.

I don't know about that. It's much more likely you are remembering dreams or something.

No, you cannot stop the Free Will of the soul.

Yes you can. If you slit a cow's throat while it's tied up and can't escape, you are compromising its free will to not have that happen to it.

I feel it in my heart, I guess the same way you feel Vegan is the right path for you. You just know it is right.

We aren't just vegans because we feel veganism is the 'right path'. Here, watch the video in my signature.

remome wrote:I feel it in my heart, I guess the same way you feel Vegan is the right path for you. You just know it is right.

No, that's actually far from it.
Just because you 'feel' something is right, it doesn't mean it's right.
Many people 'feel' something is right, but do you seriously think all of them are right in what they feel, just because they feel it?
To determine if something's true, you need evidence, not feelings.
Your feelings are based on/conditioned by your personality, memories, desires and ideologies. Your feelings aren't 'generated' by objective truth.

Imagine if scientists would publicize discoveries that they think are right, based on their feelings - but haven't actually proved them.
Or imagine if doctors would prescribe medicines for their patients based on what they feel, without making a diagnosis.

Some people go vegan exclusively basing themselves on their feelings, but those are the ones that don't usually last long.
Most long-time vegans know they're doing the right thing, basing themselves on morality and facts, not feelings.
No rational people base what they're going to believe on feelings alone.