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EducationalPlates
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Hello World

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Hey guys!

I've been a consistent vegan since 2015. My initial interest, in all honesty, was to find a healthy diet that made it easy for me to maintain a slim figure. The animals and the planet were unfortunately not a priority at that time. A show called "Secret Lives of Women" featured a raw foodist who boasted the health and beauty-related benefits of a raw diet. I was fifteen when the episode aired and didn't know much about veganism prior to watching this show. The episode convinced me that raw veganism was the key to good health, but my diet did not change until 2012 because I was a minor and had no say in what I did or did not eat.

I followed Megan Elizabeth from "Easy to Be Raw", Fully Raw Christina of "Fully Raw", Dan the Life Regenorator, and Swayze from "Fit on Raw" and tried my best to be a raw foodist. I felt great, at first (didn't we all?), but eventually, I became bored with the food, I was unable to keep up with the costs of a varied raw foods diet (not just centered around bananas, lettuce, and oranges), and I felt both hungry and stuffed all of the time. It also didn't help that my family was very vocal in their disapproval of veganism. I would soon throw in the towel and go back to eating what my family ate. Southern soul and SAD junk food.

A few years later, I attempted to go vegan again, via the cooked food route. My favorite YouTubers at the time were Lauren Toyota of "Hot For Food", Caitlyn Shoemaker of "From My Bowl", Fully Raw Christina (despite no longer wanting to be raw [because of her beauty and positive energy]), That Vegan Couple, Ellen Fisher, and Hannah McNeely. My focus wasn't on evidence-based nutrition in the beginning, I just wanted to be skinny πŸ€·πŸ½β€β™€οΈ.

Eventually, I realized that I needed to focus on properly fueling my body. In switching over from the fun, carefree, "this is just my journey" side of veganism to the evidence-based, pragmatic, and ecologically responsible side of veganism, I found my ethics and that is why after all the years I can still call myself a vegan.

Funny enough, my partner, who was vegan but went back to eating animals before I met him, ran in the HCLF "cycling 20 miles per day" crowd. It's odd considering that we are from the same ag-based ultra-conservative small town. "Eat Beef" bumper stickers are commonplace out here and full-sized Trump/Vance flags trail off the backs of lifted pickup trucks.

I look young for my age so people tend to find it hard to believe that my veganism isn't "just a phase" or that I was interested in veganism "before it was cool". I run a small plant-based fiber arts shop and I once came across a fellow vegan shop owner who assumed that I didn't know what veganism meant because I was willing to sell recycled silk yarn. Yarns spun from silk sarees that would have otherwise ended up in a landfill. Yarns produced by a company that employs local impoverished women, pays them fair wages, and offers safe working conditions. Mind-blowing, but so many still refuse to see the nuance.

I'd love to know your thoughts on the issue: Is it better to sell silk that would otherwise become litter, or stick to the dictionary definition of veganism and choose brand new plant-based over used animal-based to prevent angering militant vegans and confusing non-vegans?

For context, the listing clearly stated that the product was post-consumer and that no additional harm was caused to silkworms in its production.

Anyway, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. I look forward to getting to know you all!
Take care.
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Welcome EducationalPlates! That's a great story.
It is common for people to go vegan for health/beauty reasons then come to accept the ethical arguments too. I'm curious to hear more about your yarn shop, do you sell online?
EducationalPlates wrote:I'd love to know your thoughts on the issue: Is it better to sell silk that would otherwise become litter, or stick to the dictionary definition of veganism and choose brand new plant-based over used animal-based to prevent angering militant vegans and confusing non-vegans
Good question. Using the silk that would've otherwise become litter is basically freegan, much in the same way eating burgers out of a dumpster is. But at the same time, if you're going to label a product vegan, it's better to use plant based fibers to like you said avoid confusion.
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Thank you, I'm glad to be here! Wish I'd found the forum earlier. I'm sure I'd have become a more reasonable vegan sooner than I did lol.

Sure, the shop is called Plant and Fiber dot com. I'm due for a restock here soon, but my goal with the shop was to fill in the gaps and offer higher-quality vegan yarns to artists in the US. My UK vegan fiber friends would share their gorgeous knit and crochet makes using non-animal or recycled fiber yarns that I'd never seen or heard of. They had access to much a larger variety of textures and colors. Affordable vegan yarns sold in the US aren't usually very versatile and are often 80-100% acrylic, so not the best quality.

I think you're right. The part of me that hates to waste anything felt that this (recycled silk yarn) was the perfect solution for tackling a good portion of the litter that the fashion industry creates. On the other hand, I have empathy for vegans who care so much for animals that the idea of "wearing animal suffering", even in a freegan situation, is unacceptable.

Especially considering that a lot of my customers are non-vegans buying gifts for their vegan partners and friends. I can see how offering items that aren't technically vegan could be especially problematic for them.
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Great intro, welcome to the forum!
Red wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:14 pm Good question. Using the silk that would've otherwise become litter is basically freegan, much in the same way eating burgers out of a dumpster is. But at the same time, if you're going to label a product vegan, it's better to use plant based fibers to like you said avoid confusion.
I agree. Clear labeling is important, since not everybody will be comfortable with the silk, just as most vegans would still not want to eat a beef burger from the garbage.
Somehow moral revulsion and disgust are connected in the brain, and that disgust doesn't necessarily vanish when the product appears identical but the context of sourcing is changed.

Another argument is that silk is mostly fungible, so vegans may not want to use up the second hand silk because limiting the supply (and it sounds like sourcing is possibly limited) could increase demand for new silk. This is the same argument that can be applied to broad application of freeganism, since it's not a sustainable source in the technical sense even if an environmentally more sustainable practice in the current term (eventually it dries up if enough people go freegan). We have to be wary of perpetuating demand. We're nowhere near that point with dumpstered meat because supply so exceeds demand, but your niche may be more limited.

I'm sure you know more about it's limits and potential than we do, so maybe you can tell us more about the sourcing, the market, and how much is sustainably available. For instance, are those old clothing articles to be recycled purchased? How many are available through plausible channels?
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