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I'm trying to understand these comments he gives me I am interested in what he says. Seeing if it's real. I need some help. HEre is his comments:

"You are being sarcastic.... Or is it being "sardonic"....? Well either way, if you really are interested in science there is ample science out there that debunks evolution.

A great compilation of evolutionists that have contradicted themselves is "That Their Words May Be Used Against Them" Henry Morris.

Look up G. Thomas Sharpe. (Spelling?) His book "Rocks, Fossils and Dinosaurs" is a book that is eye opening to those who desire to know anything about geology and how it is used to debunk "evolutionisms".

Look up Stephen J. Gould and his opinion on the fossil record. He is a RABID evolutionist and he has debunked the "fossil record" where it is used as evidence FOR evolution.

Henry Morris. Any of his books.
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist, author.

Here is a good link that is very informative:

http://www.vedicsciences.net/articles/d ... unked.html

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Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
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Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist"


He also gave me these to my questions:

////Also Mr. Dare, do you know about G Thomas Sharpe? Do you know when he was around? Did you know he was a preacher also? That he read only Darwin's book on evolution?
On top of that, do you know what a Geologist is?/////

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes. And he is a well educated geologist.
4. No I do not know if he has read Darwin's debunked thesis.
5. Yes.

/////You gave the claim of Stephen J Gould. Do you know what his life was? Do you know what his theory, the punctuated equilibrium,, was? What was said in it? Did you know he thought that science and religion had no conflict in each other? Yet he still thought Evolution to be true?/////

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Not sure if I remember reading that about him.
5. Yes, he was a RABID evolutionist.

/////How many fossils have we found Mr Dare? How many have been dated back so many years?/////

I do not know the exact number, no. I know that they have been dated by faulty dating methods that are based upon assumptions not science. The geologic column has been debunked also. So it cannot be used as an evidence for an old earth.

/////How is the DNA so matched up to our common ancestors?/////

No. DNA does not "match" humans with animals. Only in the religion of evolutionism does that happen.

///// How is it everything is related in this world?////

Everything has the exact same Creator. That is how we are related. Humans are not animals we have a common Creator annd not a common ancestor. (Unless of course you consider Adam and Eve.)

/////We have a common ancestor to many, like all animals do, so why is that? Do you know why? ////

No we do not have a common ancestor. Humans are not animals. The only reason that there is a supposed "common ancestor" is because of the religion of evolution. It is one of their religious beliefs. Debunked, but they hold on to it religiously.

/////Why only on Darwin's claims? Did you know that modern scientist do not use Darwin's theory?////

Yes. Because darwin's claims have been debunked like every "evolutionism". Now we have "Neo - Darwinists"

/////It was a bases Mr. Dare, for evolution, did you know this? Or that we have developed beyond what Darwin had in hsi years to make more ideas and find things to back it up?////

And even Stephen J. Gould KNEW that the fossil record was bankrupt of evidence FOR evolutionism. THAT is why he made up his "punctuated equilibrium" hypothesis.

Yes, Darwin is the "ape daddy" of
evolutionism and he is worshipped in your hallowed halls and temples of higher learning. But he has been debunked....shamed and exposed as the fraud that he was.

Guess what? Finches are still just finches, just like when Almighty God created them. Darwin is extremely embarrassed now. He has met his Maker. Hopefully he was just a deceived Christian and not a lost hell bound sinner.


/////Tell me Mr, Dare, you have made these claims to me. I want to know where you got this from? Answer my questions, did you know this, do you know the answers with out a goggle search? Do you know about the claims you make and where they come from? About the people you mention?/////

Yes I know where my claims come from. Yes I know of the people that I have mentioned. No I do not know them personally, but I do know of them. They are well educated in the fields that they worked in. Some were even indoctrinated into evolution and because of the science that they studied and "did" they realized that they were trusting in a lie. They (the answers that I gave you) come from years of researching science and the religion of evolutionism. I have a few science books in my library. They are quite enlightening. Yes, I do a google search when I do not know something or run into something that I am not familiar with. But google searches are not my only source, even though there is much to find when searching the web.


/////Until you give me real credible answers, your claims are only based on what you find on the next creationist website. You claim to know we are wrong, that we are the religion in your eyes. So I want answers to this 'whys' 'hows' and 'dos'/////

If my answers are wrong then why can't you or any evolutionist debunk them? You can't. And you know it.


My answers are not found only on creationist web sites. They can be found by discussing the religion of evolution with evolutionists, reading numerous books and looking at the created world around me.


My relationship with the Creator is also something that helps me reject the silly but dangerous heresies of evolutionism. Many evolutionisms have been debunked by science which in turn relegates that religion to the debunked file."



I know it's a lot, I'll answer questions about him, but are these people he gives credible?
Are they real Dr's and people who study this and also.
I was being sarcastic at first, but then I got to thinking about his answers. So Is this guy right with his sources? I would search it all up, but it's a lot so I wanted to ask for help on this.

Thank you all

Hi,

Here is an index of creationist claims and their answers:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/
Here's the complete list: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Every general claim I have ever found is indexed there.
If you find any claims he has made that aren't listed there, please let me know and I can debunk them.

Look up G. Thomas Sharpe. (Spelling?) His book "Rocks, Fossils and Dinosaurs" is a book that is eye opening to those who desire to know anything about geology and how it is used to debunk "evolutionisms".

Sharpe is insane
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/07/1133-g-thomas-sharp.html
And he knows nothing about fossils or dinosaurs:
https://johnnykaje.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/day-one-ish-of-the-big-silly-jesus-circus-lies-about-dinosaurs/
Or he's just a compulsive money grubbing liar (but he lies for Jesus).

Extraordinary claims (like that there's a massive conspiracy in science to defraud the public) require extraordinary evidence.
It's unreasonable and lazy to just give a name of a book and say "there's the proof". If he has an argument to make, he should make it.

On the other hand, knowledge and evidence of evolution is contained in any university level biology book. It's not unreasonable to expect somebody to have basic knowledge of evolution before discussing it. Creationists are inherently ignorant of evolution, and don't properly understand the science they're trying to negate. It's like trying to argue about calculus with somebody who doesn't understand the basic operators plus and minus.

Here's a good concise reference:
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Evolution-True-Jerry-Coyne/dp/0143116649
Why Evolution Is True by Jerry A. Coyne

Look up Stephen J. Gould and his opinion on the fossil record. He is a RABID evolutionist and he has debunked the "fossil record" where it is used as evidence FOR evolution.

This is just a lie.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part3.html

Creationists love to quote mine, take things out of context, and twist the words of biologists.

Henry Morris. Any of his books.

A Quack. An engineer, not a biologist or anything approaching it, and a Biblical Christian born in 1918. He was a peddler of pseudoscience all his life and founded the pseudoscience of creationism.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Henry_M._Morris

Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist, author.

Another non-scientist who happened to pay for a degree somewhere he doesn't use.

http://creationistidiocy.blogspot.com/2009/03/moron-of-month-jonathan-sarfati.html

Apparently the only reason he went to school to get the degree is to give himself false credibility in his apologetics. He's not a chemist or anything else of note, he's an apologist and runs a Biblical creationist organization.

If you have a religious agenda, it's not that hard to go to school for something like chemistry for a few years, avoid biology as much as possible, and scrape by to graduate, then flaunt the claim that you're a "scientist" constantly despite being nothing of the sort.

Step 1: Have no ethics
Step 2: Get an unrelated degree in some science field that you will never use
Step 3: Preach Creationism, sell books, constantly claiming to be a scientist so you can charge a premium
Profit!

Here is a good link that is very informative:

vedicsciences.net/articles/darwin-debunked.html

Pseudoscience nonsense. If somebody wants to make an argument against evolution, he or she should make it, not link to some shitty religious website and expect people to go there to be convinced.
Every claim on that site is likely already covered in the index of creationist claims.

Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field:

That's a terrible list, useless as an appeal to authority against overwhelming consensus (I don't know where it came from). It's listing a very small number of scientists and engineers most of whom were likely tricked into signing a vague statement (true to form for most of these lists). The statement is usually something like:

"I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

Which really does not say they disagree with evolution. It just says they're skeptical and examination of the evidence should be encouraged; scientists would say the same thing about gravity, or anything else. That may not be the source of this list, but usually is.

Here's an actual good link:

https://ncse.com/project-steve

And, again, talk origins covers this:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/

I do not know the exact number, no. I know that they have been dated by faulty dating methods that are based upon assumptions not science. The geologic column has been debunked also. So it cannot be used as an evidence for an old earth.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CD
Read those.
Dating processes are very rigorous, it's a widely propagated lie in creationist circles that they're not science (it's the claim they always make when science disagrees with their bible).

No. DNA does not "match" humans with animals. Only in the religion of evolutionism does that happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk
Watch Ken Miller on this issue (he's a Catholic Biologist).

JadeSpeedster17 wrote:I know it's a lot, I'll answer questions about him, but are these people he gives credible?

No, they're all quacks. Some of them delusional, some of them intentionally lying (for cash or for Jesus).

JadeSpeedster17 wrote:Are they real Dr's and people who study this and also.

A small number of them graduated with degrees unrelated to biology and evolution. They might as well be plumbers.
Doesn't stop them from being quacks, though. Even scientists can be crazy sometimes; whether from mental illness, or by just lying to make money (here's a challenge: find one that isn't rich from selling books and seminars). There's big money in creationism, because Christians will pay out the ass to be told by a "scientist" that the Bible is the word or God.


If you want to debate these people, you're better off using street epistemology.

https://streetepistemology.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/magnabosco210

Get at the real reason they believe: it isn't evidence. You do this by asking a hypothetical. Watch some of Anthony's videos.

Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks. Between school and work at home getting ready for family reunion I had a lot to do. Didn't really have time to read all this only debunk a few claims. So thanks for the links and info, it helps a lot.